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328 Inner Tie Rod - PLEASE HELP

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  1. phild328

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    I have a bad 328 inner tie rod. It is for the early 328 with the old suspension geometry, it is therefor a shorter rod than the "88". It absolutely is bad, it is not the common bushing problem. It is not like the 308 where the rod's ball joint comes apart. I don't think it is serviceable, so I am looking for a replacement part. Again this is the INNER tie rod, NOT the outer (the outer is available anywhere).
    I did search the forum the best i could and I did not find anything. I would have to believe this could cross reference to a very common car. All that needs to match is the thread and the length.
    I did contact one Pantera place so far, but the Pantera is the same as the 308 and therefor the inner tie rod is not the same, so I don't think the Pantera scene can help in this case.
    Summer is here and the Ferrari is on jack stands with no rack. Help.
     
  2. BigTex

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    RicambiUSA???

    Algar....TRutlands.....

    Do you see the Ferrari identification number in any of the on line diagrams???

    Ask fastradio....he's near you (East Coast, anyway)....
     
  3. Martin308GTB

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    #3 Martin308GTB, Apr 25, 2016
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    Unfortunately the only ID no. you find in the Ferrari parts diagrams are for the complete rack and the gaiters. No internals specified.
    Superformance in the UK stocks a RHD rack only rack and inner tie rods and gaiters for GBP 195.00
    I assume LHD or RHD doesn't matter regarding the tie rods and the rack you could resell.
    But I also have to mention, that there have been discrepancies regarding 328 racks from Superformance in the past. So you should discuss with them prior to a possible purchase to be sure to get the correct parts.

    What exactly is bad beyond repair on your tie rod?

    Best Regards
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  4. BigTex

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    It sounds like the helm joint itself is knackered......
     
  5. phild328

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    The nylon/teflon(?) bearing in the ball joint is worn. The ball floats around in the socket it is so loose. It is pressed in and not repairable.

    I found one. But it is not cheap. It is at Mr. Fiat.
    Ferrari 308 QV 328 Steering Track Rod - 308 QV 328 - Ferrari - Italian Cars

    Looking at Mr. Fiat's other prices, it seems some things are marked up about 4x what they should be. I hate being taken. I bet this part crosses to something, like a Yugo and can be bought for $25 somewhere. So now the question is does someone know the crossover part? or a cheaper place?
    As mentioned, it doesn't have a ferrari part number, so it isn't on the parts diagrams that a number of ferrari parts sites use. I have reached out to several ferrari parts places via email but have not heard back from them. I suspect they don't have them because ferrari doesn't supply them.
     
  6. robo330

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    Have you tried 1) GT Car Parts, Dave or Bill 2) Ferrari - Red Parts, Brian Keegan 3) FerrParts, Punu....?
     
  7. fastradio

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    Ferrari didn't make the rack, hence repair parts are not listed or availble from your normal parts sources.The inner tie rod is an odd one, as it is metric on one end and SAE on the other. Also, there were several variations of the steering rack...
     
  8. yelcab

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    $255 for an inner rod. That is offensive. Buy a used rack (there was one on sale in the for sales section) and remove the rods. Now you have 2.
     
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    since Superformance uses same rack # for 308 and pre-88 racks, the inner tie rod they sell may fit.:
    part number is FER07005 on this page:

    Steerimg Parts for Ferrari 308, 208, 288 GTO & F40 - Superformance
     
  11. phild328

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    I contacted Superformance and they don't have it. I also heard back from All Ferrari Parts and they don't have it. I assume any Ferrari dealer won't have it. It would have to be sourced as an aftermarket part. I think they re-manufacture them or make them new which is the reason for the high cost.
    I contacted TRW to see if this is something that we can put on their radar and maybe they can help us out in the future. Ultimately we (all the 328 owners) may need this part at some point.
    So my other idea is to buy a 308 rack. I think this is what Superformance sells because it is much easier to source and fix. Can anyone confirm that this is a perfectly good solution? The rack is made differently, so my main concern with be the mounting points and the location of the input shaft, I don't know if those changed. I don't care that the car would not be 100% original. This isn't a concourse car. There are brand new 308 racks on ebay for $120 shipped. I would think that the 308 geometry is the same as the early 328's. I would have a totally new rack for half the cost of the track rod. And I am not totally 100% trusting of the rest of my rack as to when the next part will fail.
    As for the used racks for sale, the recent one was a late 328 rack, it will not work, it is longer.
    I actually have a late 328 long rack (I bought it a while ago before I knew the difference). So it is for sale! I probably could machine down the track rods to make it fit, but I don't want to molest it, it is 100% original and in good working condition.
     
  12. phild328

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    I think I answered my own question. I looked at the Superformance part #s on the website and the early 328 part number is the same as the 308. So they just say screw it and put in the old 308 rack. The early 328 rack is pretty rare as it was only used for 2 years.
    Though I would still be interested to hear from someone who has done this.
    Also, what do you think of "BuyAutoParts" on ebay. Their rack for $120 says 105 sold recently, so some of you bought one. Any problems with it?
     
  13. Robz328

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    Please post a link. This seems low to me.
     
  14. yelcab

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    If it were me, and all else has failed, I would take one of the inner rod from the later 328 and go to a machine shop and say "cut it to this length, thread the end for this size" and I bet it is $100.
     
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    Brand New Manual Steering Rack and Pinion Gear Assembly for Ferrari Dino 308 GT4 | eBay

    or directly

    1980 Ferrari 308 Manual Steering Rack Manual Steering Model 80-70007 AN

    This part 80-70007AN seems to be at a bunch of different sites, I don't know who the parent company is that makes them. I am guessing it is not even a TRW rack and doesn't have any TRW components, it is just a total aftermarket china deal. They have a 80-7000 R which costs more, like $300, and has a $150 core. These are probably the rebuilt TRW rack. But hey, for $120, its worth a shot. Just wondering what others thought of them, people obviously have been buying them.
     
  16. Martin308GTB

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    But if it's a machine shop not being familiar with automotive parts, insist on a rolled thread.
    I seriously doubt, that the track rod ends thread on the tie bars is cut, what would be kind of suicidal. Of course except on the chinese or indian $120.00 racks.


    Best
    Martin
     
  17. Robz328

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    I don't trust that sites like this will source a proper part, especially when they claim they can rebuild a 308 power steering rack:

    1980 Ferrari 308 Power Steering Rack Power Steering Model - Rebuild Your Unit only 80-00882 R
     
  18. BigTex

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    Ask Rifledriver.

    I would also ask a legit Dealer, Algar or Tonkin.

    They are supporting the 328s much better than they once did.

    Also try the England dealer UK Classic Parts.
    They got the entire Factory inventory dumped on them at one point a few years ago.

    Good luck!
     
  19. Robz328

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    You have a link?

    The UK Classic Parts I found services Minis.
     
  20. Martin308GTB

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    https://www.ferrariparts.co.uk/

    Don't know regarding 328 racks but I asked for a 308 rack three years ago. They had none.
    But it's worth asking.

    Best Regards
    Martin
     
  21. theunissenguido

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    the old mini has the same specifications for Tie rod I believe....

    Guido
     
  22. Martin308GTB

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    the same rack, but different tie rods. Probably shorter ones, if one compares track between Mini and 308.

    Best
    Martin
     
  23. phild328

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    I was leaning towards the cheap 308 rack, but I realized that the mounts aren't going to work with it. The 328's rack has the skinny tube all the way to the passenger side. Whereas the 308 has that cast housing that holds the famous bushing. That housing is where the mount goes and so my 328 mount is going to be too small. I would have to find a 308 mount. I would prefer to go to a 308 rack since all the parts are available. But right now I am leaning towards buying the $250 track rod unless I find a deal on a 308 mount.
     
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