A slow shifting Scud would be worth less. The Scud has already been immortalised by it's transmission shifting.
I agree. Much as I like MT's a Scud would be a lesser car with one, apart from collector status of course.
If we are purely talking value then clearly a factory original 1 off 6 speed manual Scud would be worth a fortune, if we are discussing the merits of a manual conversion of a Scud then absolutely not - the Scud is defined by its superb gearbox which is still the best driving experience gearbox ever made by anyone! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
I've owned both. The latest gen pdk is the most refined and smoothest system. But the scud's sf2 f1 box is by far the most dramatic and enjoyable. Really there's nothing else like it in a street car.
Yes, the PDK is about perfect in my opinion. Looking forward to getting my 430 F1 hopefully tomorrow to give that a try.
PDK is as engaging as a fast shifting automatic. SF2 is unparalleled and distinguishes the Scud and GTO from all others.
Scud now, S in the past with PDK. PDK works on the track, easy day-to-day, can be hands-off or hands-on; best of all worlds and is smooth and reliable. Scud SF2 feels like you might break something. Viceral like a older viper or race car. Love them both for different purposes.
Unless it was factory made, it wouldn't have any significant value... Most likely a salvaged / crashed and repaired F430 Scuderia could be converted... I would be cool and a lot of fun, but clearly not as fast as the F1 scuderia !!
Since we are on the subject, now imagine the following scenario... Being handed the keys to one of the following supercars : 2003 Ferrari Enzo Manual 6-speed (if it ever existed) 2012 Ferrari 458 Spider 6-speed manual (if it ever existed) 2015 Ferrari 488 Manual 6-speed (if it ever existed) OR... 2015 LaFerrari 6-speed Manual (if it ever existed) The idea gives me goosebumps !!!!!!!! WOW !!!!!!!! It's not about the speed, it is about the thrill of driving something that requires huge skills... and where there is thrill and danger, there is also reward ....
Normally I'd be with you on this and definitely for the 458 but the LAF?I don't think it would actually be more fun as a manual. There are so many integrated technologies and the incurable about of power would have me much happier with both hands on the wheel at ALL times ;-) Enzo? Sure...maybe. I've always preferred the look of the F50 anyway and it comes with a manual.
I know there are a couple people on here that own both a F430 6 speed manual and a Scud. It would be interesting to hear from them for the fun of it on how a hypothetical Scud with a manual would compare to the actual gated F430. So many of the Scud owners talk about how the transmission is what defines the car, so I am wondering if you took away the Scuds F1, would the weight savings and extra power alone make it dramatically different than the gated F430?
I've just gone from a manual F430 to F1. The manual was very nice to use and more engaging than standard F1 up to moderate speeds, but on more demanding roads the manual started to get in the way. This was compounded after a header swap that liberated a noticeable amount of extra performance. Even in stock form the F430 is about as much power to weight as I’d want with the manual ‘box – I’d actually say the 360 manual would be a better package. Given the Scuderia has less weight and more power for me the manual gearbox would ruin what the car is all about, especially given the electronic system updates that were all configured to work in harmony with SF2. It is not a fully analogue car by any means. I’m in the process of lightening my new car to 16M spec and retrofitting SF2 because I believe the SF2 is the only true replacement for a manual 'box in terms of feel and enjoyment of use, and is really suited to the performance level of the Scuderia.
Interesting point about the gated F430 being about as much as you would want in terms of the power to weight ratio for a manual transmission. Everyone always complains that Ferrari no longer makes a manual, but the F430 probably is the last mid engined car where it really made sense. Its also interesting that if you look at the specs of the new 911R which many seem to consider the ultimate modern, manual car, the specs for horsepower and torque are almost the same as the F430. 500hp for the 911 and 490hp for the 430. 338 lb-ft torque for the 911 and 343 lb-ft for the F430. Weight for both cars is pretty similar too. 911 revs to 8250 rpm and 430 to 8500 rpm. Funny that this brand new Porsche that all the enthusiasts are going crazy for has very similar specs to the last mid engined manual Ferrari!
