Speciale Collectability

Because it only makes sense that the % of Specialé allocations will follow the general % production per continent, duh.

And I can 100% guarantee both my local dealerships got more than 15 allocations each...lol

How do you like them oranges?

 

FYI, from what I gathered from talking to my dealer (Ferrari of Salt lake City) "weekly" from November 2014 until I took delivery of my Speciale in May 2015 was that they only got about 8 Speciale allocations total.

How many US dealerships are there anyway?

 

Uh, not quite. I believe there probably are allocated based on the general sales trends of the previous track based cars. I don't think they would allocate based purely on a percentage. Seems a bit simplistic don't you think?
As to guarantees? I doubt it, unless you happen to be personal friends with the dealerships owner.

12 -15 allocations to each dealer was it. That is from the horses mouth. I suspect your are spouting information from the other end of the horse


How do you like them bananas?

I guess it really doesn't matter much anyway....

 

Someone is in denial.

Seems unreal for certain dealerships to get preferential treatment? Right

Simplistic to assume the demand for allocated Speciales is more or less gauged from general % demands by continent? Just like how it's too simplistic to assume different dealerships get different # of allocations based on client base history and sales? Right

Seems unbelievable to someone that a certain automotive photographer has been alerted at pretty much almost every Speciale arrival (and other limited editions) to assist in documenting them for posterity? Right. Hard truth is he wasn't able to capture every one either and it's already exceeded your quoted "12-15"

It doesn't matter much anyway? Right. When faced with some actual documented facts and not some salesman he-said-she-said horse rubbish everything is suddenly a lie.

Right. That is some kinda bananas for damn sure...funniest part about all this is, it has nothing to do with how remarkable the car drives, yet still...whatever, you win. lol, no point trying to put lipstick on a pig...at the end of the day it's still a pig.

 

I think that the orders/deliveries for Scud were taken before the economic crisis really hit, late 2008. 16M may have been affected had they not been limited to 499 cars since they were 09 production from memory. I have heard many times that there were a lot of Scud built (again on this thread - more than 3,000), if true that is most likely similar to Speciale. I think Ferrari production had already hit their self-imposed limit of 7,000 cars by the late noughties so makes sense to me. (Could be wrong but there seem to be so many theories about this that we will really all never know/agree unless Ferrari tell us).

Where the crisis is relevant is in looking at the depreciation profile of the Scud - it depreciated early on, which is very likely to have been more about the recession than anything else. If it had been launched when Speciale was launched, who's to say it wouldn't have performed better than it did. The one thing it did not have compared with the Speciale is the cachet of being the last n/a V8. Other than that, the car was brilliant.

 

Agree that it had an impact in the 16m and resale of Scuderia.

However, not sure that your timing is exactly accurate. Market peaked in 2007 in October and had quite a significant sell-off going into 2008 then of course it got even worse in 08 .people knew there was trouble far in advance of the end of 08..

 

However the Scud did come out during the recession in 08, so we saw prices fall to around $160k (which was a steal!). Since then, values are nearly doubling after 8 years from that market low.
So predicting future car values is like riding the stock market wave. Everything rises and falls in cyclical fashion.

It does feel like a Supercar bubble wave. I got lucky diving in on a CGT 3 years ago, but values rising that quick don't seem like they will sustain that wave. But who knows?

All I know, is that the Speciale is definitely on my short list for what it represents - last NA V8 Supercar Ferrari will make.
Does anyone want to sell me a Bianco Avus Speciale to go with my 16M?

Edit: repeated what most have just said about the 08 recession.
So when is the next one coming

 

Responses in this thread from people who have never driven a Speciale are null and void. Nobody can properly assess "value" or express a valid "opinion" of this car until they've driven it in anger!

 

Don't quite agree as for example, Australia got more apertas than it did TDFs (50% more) yet aperta production was way less. I know they're LE cars but it illustrates that it's not quite that straight forward.

 

I have a Speciale!

 

Are you guys so sure the Speciale is the last NA V8 they will ever make?

What if the turbo motor is a stop gap to a car that has some mild hybrid help but basically a NA V8?

What if the special version drops the electric stuff for more limited production?

I'm not saying this is likely I'm just wondering if its worth turning the assumption into fact. I would add the words "for now" after the statement.

 

Such animosity! Maybe one day you can buy one.

 

If you read further, I meant to say it's only logical to benchmark against general production % to get a general allotment, then boils down to the dealerships and their respective client purchase history etc to arrive at the final allocation #s. And nothing against Aussie, I love Aussie, but it's not necessarily a big market share so fluctuation there is more likely to happen than elsewhere i.e. Not all %s are equal; a 50% bump in allocation to the US would be insane.

 

I'm just curious: Have you ever driven one?

 

If your in it for the long run (20 plus years) absolutely it will be a good investment granted you take car of it and maintain it. Short term value growth, I don't think so. The scud and CS both depreciated before they gradually started to gain in value. If I had the money I'd do it. Mileage will also be a big factor for investment potential. I know If I had a speciale I would have a hard time controlling my mileage.

 

I do enjoy reading this threads with all the questions and speculation on how many were produced, what they might be worth, whether Ferrari will make another NA V8. It's fun.

But what I really enjoy is taking my Rosso F1 2007 Speciale out on the road with the windows down and the radio off so I can just rip around and enjoy the sound of that amazing engine. When I do that, I frankly don't care about the answers to any of these questions.

My philosophy on these cars is that they are truly discretionary purchases that you should only buy if you can afford to pay cash and are willing to DRIVE THEM OFTEN. You buy them for only one reason, because you love driving them. I hope to put as many miles on mine as possible and I frankly don't care what it's worth when I'm done.

In fact, I think I'll leave the office right now, go home and take it out of the garage.

 

TDF nope. Speciale yep, and twice on track. Is that relevant to what we've been discussing in the last few posts?

 

Yes, I think so. Most of us are giddy with joy after driving a Speciale. It sounds like you weren't blown away by it. I guess we all like different things. Thanks.

 

GREAT IDEA! Me too....

 

Yep, I like my car to be an event, a thrill to drive even at 50mph.

The Speciale was fast, but it lacked the knife-edge rawness that I have grown to love from my former CS and now Scuderia. I'm not saying the Speciale doesn't have it, but it pales in comparison.

If it was just down to sheer performance on or off track, I'd rather get a 650S or LT or another MP4, hell even a 488 turbo for that matter, any will smoke the Speciale. At the end of the day, I found the Speciale a spectacularly engineered product, but lacked the unf, old Ferrari mystique and passion I am looking for...it was smooth, compliant like a benz, flattered my mistakes rather than punished...I did like that last part as it pushed me to go faster and faster and that gave me some good thrills. But again, if the whole point was to go faster, there are other faster cars.

I like excitement, noise, visceral raw passion all of which (and this is just my opinion) my Scuderia delivers head and feet more of; from the kick of the F1 SuperFast gearbox shifts to the exposed welds and wailing F1 theater in the back. Ferrari really nailed it w that single clutch gearbox on the Scud, only other car that I've driven that replicated that is the GTO, which I wish I had the cash to buy too! And V12!!

We all subjectively like different things, but I thought we were discussing collectibility?

 

Yes, good point. I define "collectibility" as something that I want to keep. Not necessarily because I am doing it as an "investment" (which I'm not) but because I love it so much that I don't want to let it go. I guess there are also probably a few different camps in terms of what motivates "collectibility." Some may be driven by looking at it as an "investment." As we all know, that's generally pretty silly for a car. What makes a car "collectible" to me is my deep desire to own and keep it.

 

Well, we are talking Ferraris here...in general any Ferrari is "desirable" no? I don't think there is a single Ferrari old or new that if someone were to drop in my lap, I would say, "No thanks, that is some undesirable nasty heap of junk."

Base 458 Italias are "desirable", but are they collectible? Probably not...

Does it make it an any less remarkable car? Definitely not...

 

Interesting post. Was checking out this vid the other day about why the video maker sold his Speciale.

http://youtu.be/PStXqJAfTTg

He noted to get the full sense of the Speciale, he felt he needed to take it to the track. On normal daily drives, he felt there was a more visceral race feel from his 991 GT3 although on track, the Speciale seemed to surpass it by far.

 

My personal feeling is that the Speciale will end up being a very desirable collector car. Notwithstanding a severe recession, values most probably won't move much from current levels for a while - but in 5 years time it certainly won't have depreciated!

I also have a pretty good feeling about the Alfa 4c. I think it would make a great "little brother" to the Speciale and I'm thinking about picking one up!
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