Is it time for gun control in Washington?

Great day for mass murderers as gun control measures rejected by US Senate

Great day for mass murderers as gun control measures rejected by US Senate

 

Aussie gun stats,,,,.

Report finds Australian gun deaths slashed since 1996 - 9news.com.au

 

"Texas mum Christy Sheats was a vocal gun rights advocate with a history of mental illness"

Sounds like a winning combination.

Why mum Christy Sheats shot dead two daughters, Taylor and Madison

 

I think it's the only way you can resolve those sort of issues ........ I know if guns were freely available here I'd have one and either be dead or incarcerated for the rest of my life by solving all my family issues

 

That is an AWFUL article. A single source who may or may not be fabricating the whole thing, dreadfully unprofessional tone ("finish off Taylor"!?!?), and generally a lacking sense of truthiness... I'm happy to believe that she had some sort of mental illness, but the whole thing reads like their source is the husband's mistress or something, it's weird - but then the NY Post is not exactly a paragon of quality journalism.

(I'm not criticising you BRDC, unless of course you wrote the article in which case you're a terrible journalist Otherwise, I'm glad you posted the link!)

 

Bombs work too...

Istanbul attack: 41 dead after terrorists strike airport - CNN.com

When bombs are outlawed, only outlaws will have bombs.

Oh, and PLENTY of armed resistance at this particular airport made ZERO difference in the outcome.

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Nope, I think you're wrong Dave, if EVERYONE had a gun this wouldn't have happened .... just ask Kaivman or the NRA

 

All good points! I'd seen the claim that she was a gun rights activist in a number of news reports, so just linked the first one at hand at the time.

 

Quite fair enough too - I was very curious to see what had happened, because that sort of situation is horrible

 

Father accidentally shoots son dead at 'safe' US gun range - 9news.com.au

 

That range is 15 minutes from my house down here in sunny FL.

And yes, it's supposed to be safe, but even safe doesn't protect you from stupidity. He had a hot shell casing go down his shirt, so without setting his gun down, he tried to get the shell out, and shot his kid accidentally in the process.

REALLY STUPID CAN'T BE PROTECTED AGAINST. Anyone with half a brain wears a baseball hat and untucks his shirt at the range to help avoid just such an incident. Peeps look at me funny when I do it at the range until they get a hot shell caught in their tucked in shirt.

Plus, the dumb ass didn't put his gun down, put the safety on, or consider where he was pointing his loaded weapon when he went to dig out the hot shell. It should ALWAYS be pointed down range. People are stupid.

Oh, and the oldest son was on the news last night being interviewed by the local station. What a cluster **** that was.

did I mention people are stupid?

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Just curious. What is it exactly that is supposed to make this range so SAFE?

If someone can wave a gun around and shoot someone standing behind them what's so damn safe about it?

 

Ha.

Just saw this.

Well, everyone in Istanbul does have a gun, and the security people are ass deep. Saw a news report yesterday that claimed the security kept the # of victims down because it forced the bombers to split up, and forced one into a premature detonation. (Probably not his first, but certainly his last.)

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EXCELLENT question.

MY guess, as I've not been inside, is they have carefully defined lanes, screens between lanes to prevent spent shells from flying around, and perhaps they have more supervision than the average gun range. (I do not have any 1st hand knowledge, but a google search showed some pretty good design.) I have been at ranges where they point you at a door and say, "have fun" and I've been to ranges where they remove people who are too stupid to be there.

What they don't have is an ANTI-STUPID defense.

All gun ranges are inherently dangerous. I try to get an end lane, as it reduces the risk to one side of me, not both, but you have to stay vigilant when you're at a range, AND YOU HAVE TO NOT DO STUPID ****.

this dad did a dumb ass thing, and it cost him big.

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Fair enough, I guess.

I think I'll just never go to a public shooting range instead.

 

As an aside.

I have not been to any public range here where they haven't had at least one fatality. I've been to 6 or 7 total, and each has at least ONE awful story of a self inflicted gunshot wound that took a life, or a random act of stupidity that killed a bystander.

Generally, a guy comes in, rents a gun, buys a box of ammo and a couple targets. Goes out to the range, practices for a few minutes and then turns the gun on himself and commits suicide. Occasionally they point the gun downrange and kill someone else by mistake, like this guy did, and at one range, the guy took his wife with him and killed her, trying to make it look like an accident. (Next time he shouldn't take out a big insurance policy on her.)

I've only been to one range here in Florida and it made me VERY nervous. Shot for about ten minutes and left. Private range might be the way to go down here, and I'm going to look into it someday.

For now, practice is limited to dry firing at paper targets to help work on technique.

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My wife and I went to one of those "hey tourists, come and shoot big machine guns and stuff" places in Las Vegas a few years ago. Neither of us had ever even touched a gun in our lives. Very first shot either of us took was my wife with a Glock handgun (? I don't know proper terminology - a not-machine-gun looking jobbie), and the shell casing went straight down her top. The first thing she did was put the gun down facing the targets. After that she hopped around hilariously trying to fish it out whilst the guy in charge looked after the gun (switched safety on IIRC), but the first move looked almost like instinct - point the killy thing away from everyone! I was proud (after I was apologetic for looking amused at the hopping)

 

Yeah. I reckon I'd be ****ting myself the whole time I was at a public range.
Actually, I just wouldn't do it.

Despite the fact I think your laws are utterly insane, I'm not anti-gun per se (I had many sessions with the old SLRs in the Air Force cadets, and friends / uncles etc. have various weapons out in the country), but I reckon if I really wanted to practice shooting I'd do it in private out in the middle of nowhere at a target on a tree or something, and the only loaded weapon within coo-ee was the one in MY hand.

There's no way I'd stand in amongst a row of random people at a public range.

 

Not a glock if he put on the safety, glocks have no safety. Good on her for doing the right thing, there is nothing more fun than trying to fish a hot spent shell out of your shirt.

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Two questions;
1; Why isn't this a P+R topic ?

and

2; Why are Australians so transfixed by America's second amendment ?
It's like moths to a flame.

 

1. because for us it's neither political nor religious

2. Because when we faced massacres from disasterous gun laws we did something about it ..... the moth to a flame would be your lot and guns