2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

Best sector times for the Mercedes AMG and Ferrari Drivers:-

Sector 1
1) Lewis - 45,285 seconds
2) Nico - 45,578 seconds
4) Kimi - 45,835 seconds
6) Sebastian - 45,983 seconds

Sector 2
1) Nico - 32,380 seconds
4) Sebastian - 32,800 seconds
13) Lewis - 33,203 seconds
14) Kimi - 33,218 seconds

Sector 3
1) Nico - 24,420 seconds
2) Lewis - 24,494 seconds
11) Sebastian - 25,031 seconds
17) Kimi - 25,128 seconds

 

During the 45 years I have been watching Formula One ALL the great drivers have always made their own luck themselves. I don't believe in bad luck in that sport, with the exception of some very specific evenements (Toyota at the last 24 hours of Le Mans is a good example). There is no such thing as a good driver having bad luck over a season or a career.

Rgds

 

F1 European GP at Baku was a wake-up call for Lewis Hamilton

Humility lesson for this race in terms of LH.

 

FIA and Todt see no reason to alter the radio ban - Jean Todt, president of Formula 1's governing body FIA, has rejected calls for teams to be able to give drivers technical information over team radios during races. Todt adds that the F1 cars are not as complicated as those that competed in Le Mans 24. (Eurosport)

I agree fully. Sorry playboy jet set drivers. Start learning and get in the simulator and practice failure/correction in your driving modes. Simple. Get smart.

 

Nico appears to be a settled, social and frankly well adjusted, grounded human being. Id be more than happy to spend time with him and his world. I dont see ever LH in these photos. He is missing out. All of them in this generation have a deep and unique life and shared experience. I see a Nico who revels in it and makes the most of it.

Nice post race pic of Nico and his friends. Frankly not a bad life for a 'boring' guy
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That was never the question...BUT you mentioned that Mercedes did that on purpose to support Rosberg!!!
For three years now you tell us on every occasion that Mercedes does not support one driver over the other although many of us did doubt that by the behavior or Wolff after and since Spa...Now that Rosberg is leading all of the sudden your only explanation is that Rosberg is preffered over Hamilton by the team...Seriously??? Do you even see how often you contradict yourself? And why should that support have been switched over the winter???

And a more "logical" question: if Hamiltons crew was not making mistakes while being at Rosberg, how could it be preference by the team to switch them if there was no difference between them last year??? Did they know upfront that they will screw things up as soon as they enter Hamiltons garage? That again makes absolutely no sense at all....

Fact is: Hamilton was not screwed by his team this weekend, he was screwed by his own driving. Instead of asking why Hamilton over raced his car in qualy you try to divert from that by making a story why Hamilton became 5th instead of 3rd...He lost the race on Saturday and not on Sunday and on Saturday none of his mechanics did anything wrong...

 

This was on the completed run.

I've found the q3 2nd run sector times:

So on the 2nd run, his time that would actually be the time that would determine the place on the grid (since he didn't set a time due to abandoned lap), there was nothing in it.

So Toil's claim that Lewis was 4 tenths up on the run he crashed on, once again...bull****.

 

Agreed.

Whichever time you evaluate, Nico outshone Lewis during Qualifying and Lewis knew that, hence he tried too hard to catch up, with fatal consequences by clipping the wall.

 

I'm trying to work out why people seem to spend so much time correcting posts made by toil. does anyone really believe that he's so one eyed about Hamilton that his controversial posts are annoying unintentionally?

He's basically been given the green light now by the mods to post whatever outlandish and supercilious claims he likes about Hamilton, and they turn a blind eye to the fact that the tone and absurdity of some of the claims is ruffling feathers. He's almost perfected pushing buttons. I say almost, because it's still a bit obvious, but enough to fool the mods, it seems.

Given that he's got the full support of the mods to continue doing this, and his obvious joy in doing so, it seems sort of pointless to comment, because if we call either him or his posts ridiculous, or worse, the rest of us get banned.

Toil, with full backing from the mods, is now very good at this game. Let's face it....it's very easy to say things that annoy the hell out of people and pretend it's an accident, and I should know!

No one, I repeat, NO ONE, can contradict themselves to get reactions as much as this and be serious about what they post.

One post from toil...10 people pointing out the contradictions and inaccuracies. Something's wrong with that picture IMO.

All the mods would see from that is 10 people picking on toil.

Me? I just laugh.....but I don't like seeing good people frustrated to the point of getting themselves banned.

 

This is why the page count went from 9 to 17 in a matter of days when certain people come back. Its all nonsense.

 

Well, fatal might be a BIT of an exaggeration

 

Peter you are a good guy and I do enjoy reading your posts but let's be honest. The last thing in the world I want is to get involved any further with the toil drama but you post reactions to toil as much if not more than anyone. I am obviously not a mod nor would I want the job, so maybe you would be willing to consider my third party point of view since you seem convinced the mods are letting toil do whatever.

I honestly don't see that at all. Toil was just banned and I posted his comments that resulted in it. Toil is good at accomplishing his goal, so I would plead with everyone to do the following. If anyone shares our distaste for comments made by certain people put them on ignore or simply do not respond and if you are someone who must respond please don't quote Toil just address your comments to toil in the beginning of your post so that those trying to post within the rules can benefit from the ignore feature. I think this would solve 90% of the problem and people who are trying to start fights would find themselves all alone and start looking somewhere else to fight. JMHO (no offense intended)

 

I disagree!

Fair enough.

He was banned for verbal abuse/name calling

The over the top claims and contradictions about Hamilton is something he hasn't been banned for, despite the fact that he knows that those claims get under everyone's skin. (Unless I missed it)

I think that was pretty much my point, actually.

None taken.

 

For me it was a laugh, but for Lewis it was "fatal" as he regressed in the WDC points.

 

I like the high-tech involved in F1 and wouldn't like to see it going backwards. I also believe the radio ban is a good thing, but I think it should be limited to a ban on giving advice on "driver" issues and not on "engineering" issues.

If we want the driver to be responsible for everything, where will it end? Will we have them getting out of the car and changing the wheels at pit stops just to prove they know how to do it?

 

I do not see the point...when someone quotes him the first sentence is "originally posted by toil..." so why do you need to read on if you see this if you do not want to read it. You ask others for the discipline to avoid quotes because you do not have the discipline to simple go to the next post? That is not meant as an offence but it almost looks as you are curious enough about it that you still read it when it pops up as a quote even when he is on ignore?

I think it is useless to answer to someone without quoting him as those acutally taking part in the discussion should know what you are reffering to...Furthermore we had problems in the past with people getting annoyed for not being properly quoted or sentences taken out of context, so I think a quote of the part you are answering to is neccesary...

 

I think you just inadvertently presented statements by Lewis Hamilton in your summary.

 

It's even $42Million per season according to some sources on the web. But it doesn't stop me from questioning that.

F1, even more so with the current engine formula, is very much a tech driven sport.

The car the driver is in decides the outcome first and foremost. Not only for top spot, but 2nd and 3rd place as well. See Perez who's car/engine was very suited to the Baku track. See Williams on some tracks, RedBull on others.

So big earner Lewis is very dependable on his car. This season even shows he seems to be dependent on which side of the garage he's in as well.

Opposed to other high earning athletes, take for instance N.Djokovic or T.Woods (in his prime), 25 to 30 weeks on a top, world class level.

Whereas Lewis races in a class of his own, just against Rosberg. Lewis isn't the difference from Mercedes winning the WDC.

So does that justify a $42Million pricetag when there are at least XX very talented drivers in F1 alone who could've achieved the same outcome.

No Sir, it doesn't. It doesn't reflect reality.

Difficult to judge from the outside what really is fact, but he seemed unprepared, plus the fact he did NO laps in a simulator. An the fact he doesn't seem to know his steering wheel.

A surgeon or a pilot, who earn a fraction of Mr.Bliss, have to learn the ever changing tech they work with as well. Comes with job.

And how many functions could there really be.....

Indeed there was a problem, and the Merc. radio messages showed Lewis could deal with it in his car, on his steering wheel.

The joke reference was due to his general smugness and apparent, media reported unpreparedness....

And given his WDC's; his first WDC was won on the final day, dependant on others, could've went to Massa just the same. His last two WDC's are thanks to Mercedes first and foremost.

Lewis could just as easily had zero WDC's behind his name, but still he feels the need to compare himself with Senna for instance.

If the entire field would be driving the same F1 cars, I'd pick Alonso, Vettel, Ricciardo and Verstappen over Lewis every time.

Even more so, Lewis made more mistakes this season than rooky, "immature", Verstappen in his entire F1 presence.

Lucky Louis, what a joke.

 

^^^"Lewis could just as easily had zero WDC's behind his name, but still he feels the need to compare himself with Senna for instance.

If the entire field would be driving the same F1 cars, I'd pick Alonso, Vettel, Ricciardo and Verstappen over Lewis every time".

This.

 

The 2 situations arent even comparable. One guy is in a turd and the next is in the most dominant car of all time. Think a little bit.

 

Or he could have had 5 WDCs by now if he had teammates that roll over like dogs or old ones that are way past their prime. Just look at the quality of teammates Schumacher and Vettel had. The only really good driver was Ricci and we know what happened that year. Rookie "Lucky" Lewis went against your #1 pick and beat him in the first year. What would he do to him now with more experience? Your second pick got demolished by your 3rd pick. You're totally clueless.
Just be glad that Lewis doesn't have old Kimi as a teammate. You don't like him now...you would hate him on a completely new level if he is getting 99% of the poles and winning 95% of the races.

 

Tesla I think ypolision is just saying these things to try and get a reaction. He knows what he is saying goes against all logic. Easier to just ignore such posts when you can but I admit it is very hard.

But let's have a little look at his picks:

1. Verstappen - can't even qualify within 3 tenths of ricciardo and he thinks he can beat Hamilton who is probably the second fastest of all time in f1 over a single lap. Not a chance. He's beaten an unknown entity in Carlos Sainz and aside from lucking into a win is being resoundly beaten by Ricci. Next.

2. Alonso - great driver but already beaten by Hamilton in his rookie year. Hamilton will only have improved since then and alonso is getting old and on his decline. Next.

3. Vettel - is barely edging out Kimi this season and we all know how bad Kimi is. Only beat him in Baku due to team orders. Hamilton beat alonso and alonso destroyed Kimi far more convincingly than Vettel has. And Kimi is only getting older and slower. By powers of deduction it's quite easy to see that Lewis is far superior to Vettel. Vettel - the same guy who had to steal parts off Webbers car when he crashed his own. Red bull had to lie to him and tell him he had a cracked chassis because he couldn't understand why Webber beat him. They had to lie to him to keep his morale up as he's too mentally weak otherwise

4- Riccardo - the only reasonable suggestion. Great career so far but needs a better car to prove himself. I think it would be close especially if Ricci keeps driving how he is at the moment but ultimately Hamilton has more experience

 

And that coming from you....what a joke...

Not replying on other people´s argument and instead making up other subjective "facts", comparing drivers over a decade and different cars...shakes head

 

Stoppppppp respondinggggg

 

I'm well aware of what he is doing. I don't usually have time to read/reply to posts but when I do I look at it as something fun to do.

These people going around threatening to put you on their ignore list as if they won/conquered somebody or people complaining about quoting others are just weak minded.

How hard is it to read and not reply or not read it at all?

This is why I always liked P.Singhof. He doesn't take the stuff too seriously and could care less about who is quoting who or who is waving their ignore wand like a 5 year old.