Nicole Simpson's Ferrari? Did I buy it?

Regardless of any speculation in this thread, I love these cars in white!

 

NCBS was murdered in 1994. V12 bought the car in 1996 from F Los Gatos and replated it (seems to check out). He sold it via a broker in Campell CA does not state when. Flynn bought the car in May 1997 from F Los Gatos, painted it, and sold it at some later date on Ebay. OP bought the car in Staten Island in Sept 2009 with V12's same plate on it he states. The Brown vs. Grandkids civil case was in 1997, so how does a plaintiff's sticker get applied to a manual for a car that has been sold twice already and at the time belonging to Flynn apparently?

 

There is a way to lay this whole thing to rest. And I have done it before to get in touch with an owner and previous owner. THe car was registered in California. You can submit an owner history via mail or the internet for 5-10 dollars. They will send you a transcript of all of the previous owners in the past 15 years I think. Doubt it will go back far enough, but it should be enough to help. Surprised he hasn't tried this already.

 

So is OJ guilty of murdering Nicole and Ron?

 

I am going to go out on a limb and vote not guilty again. I think Nicole was a coke head and Ron was her supplier. I read someplace that at that time the restaurant where she dined that night (Mezzaluna), where Ron her "toy boy" worked, was coke central. And here's the interesting part: the "ordering protocol" was to call up and say "I left my glasses on table XX" ... which meant I want to buy XX grams of coke. Presumably you asked to speak to your "waiter" ie dealer. The "waiter" would then kindly offer to deliver to your house. So given that background I think Ron was delivering coke to Nicole's house that night (and NOT her glasses as was widely reported .. did she even wear glasses? and why were no glasses found at the crime scene?) when they were both murdered. And keep in mind the car's tyres were slashed some weeks earlier .. I don't think OJ would have slashed the tyres on the car he bought and paid for, and which was probably still in his name as he was paying the insurance on it. That would have just jumped the insurance premium. I think that the tyre slashing was a warning from a third party. I think Nicole had some unpaid coke bills and switched suppliers when her previous dealer yanked her credit. Said stiffed dealer showed up with his knife again to collect, found Ron delivering to his erstwhile customer, got double mad, got into a scuffle with Ron who was apparently a karate kid wannabe, did him in, then he had to do Nicole in as she was now a witness, and took off with the coke and the knife. This person may also have tried to frame OJ by throwing the gloves over his fence sometime later, explaining why Kato heard a "thump". But the gloves were not OJ size so that plan did not work out. (And if OJ had done it, and if the gloves were indeed his, he would have to be really stupid to dump them on his own property.)

Anyway that's my theory B. Moral of the story: always pay your bills, especially if the people you owe are bad guys.

 

Oh please. He's on video doing his football commentary with the same gloves, and Bruno Magli shoes on. And how do you explain the fact that he cut his finger that same night, and was dripping blood all over his house, and car ? Those are some pretty big coincidences.

And drug dealers don't kill their customers, or sell on credit. They kill their competitors.

 

GREAT thread!!!
Enjoyed reading every post!

 

Exactly .... and I would not know about the credit thing, never bought drugs. Maybe she was a mid-level distributor and Ron was her customer making a pick-up. A gal needs to make a living right? Maybe she consumed too much of the inventory herself so the cash was short. Seems she and Ron met frequently for coffee and maybe to transact business ... just as plausible as the prosecution's theories.

Problem is, the glove did not fit, not by a long shot. Leave one glove at crime scene, the other in your back yard? That's too cute. Why would you take off glove and dump it at crime scene? And Magli made more than one pair of shoes, if indeed the print was a conclusive match.

Why was dog on leash when found ... was Nicole expecting someone her dog was not familiar with? Surely dog knew OJ and her friend Ron? Why did dog not bite OJ if he did it? Dog was outside, found later wandering on street.

If he had done it he would be dripping a lot more than his own blood. This was not a neat killing. Blood spurts out of stab wounds. They found NO victims' blood in his car or on the fence or in the house ... If he had her blood on his shoe how come no victim blood on his gas/brake pedal? It's impossible for an amateur to clean up blood evidence especially not when in a hurry to catch a limo to the airport.

And if you went over there with gloves and knife, it was not for coffee. It was planned. You would not go over in your own car in case someone saw it parked outside. And you would not cut it that fine that the pre-booked limo driver would see you coming home dripping blood, giving you no time to hide evidence and clean up.

I cut my finger several times a year. If you had to do a forensic sweep of my car and house you would find it all over the place.

Reminds me of that case in Australia where they accused a woman of cutting her baby's throat in her car. Problem was every car of that make/model had the "spray" in the same place. It was some kind of adhesive.

 

Hmmm. The New York Post and TMZ. Two beacons of journalistic integrity...

To Mr. Gould's point, it does seem strange that this car has been up so many times and has just magically missed the reserve on two occasions. The car being relisted so quickly after the last buyer "flaked" seems a bit off as well. All of it reeks of shill bidding.

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Hagerty values are higher:

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1987-Ferrari-3.2_Mondial?id=52640

 

They did find the victims' blood in the Bronco. And receipts where Nicole had purchased those same type of gloves for OJ. They probably shrank after they were washed. Definitely a prosecution mistake to have him try them on. He's a good faker.

List of the evidence in the O.J. Simpson double-murder trial:

List of the evidence in the O.J. Simpson double-murder trial:

Key evidence and testimony in the O.J. Simpson murder trial, with explanations of how the prosecution has used it against Simpson thus far and how the defense has challenged it:

Crime scene blood:

Blood drops were found alongside bloody shoe prints leading away from the bodies of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman; blood was found on a gate at the back of the murder scene condominium; blood from both places contained Simpson's genetic markers. Simpson had a cut on his left middle finger when interviewed by police the day after the killings.

Prosecution: one of the most important parts of the case, claiming it placed Simpson at the crime scene; said Simpson dripped blood after wounding his finger with a knife during the murders; said scientific controls and testing by different labs thwarted any possibility of contamination or tampering.

Defense: mounted vigorous counterattack, alleging samples were sloppily collected and poorly handled, rendering DNA results unreliable; raised possibility that blood was planted by someone who took it from a police crime lab vial that contained Simpson's blood and a blood preservative; most compelling evidence was bloodstains on paper wrapping that was supposed to be holding dry blood samples; wound on Simpson's left hand was only a minor one he suffered in his house - not enough to drip as much blood as prosecutors found - and that Simpson re-injured the finger when he cut it on a glass in a Chicago hotel room the morning after killings, before police interviewed him.

Bloody shoe prints:

The bloody shoe prints matched a size 12 Bruno Magli shoe, a relatively rare Italian-made model. Simpson wears size 12 shoes.

Prosecution: tried to place Simpson at the murder scene by showing that Bloomingdale's in New York, where Simpson sometimes shopped, carried such shoes.

Defense: Thousands of people bought such shoes; noted that no murder shoes were ever recovered and that the prosecution had no evidence that Simpson ever purchased such shoes; raised the possibility that unexplained "imprints'' that didn't match the Bruno Magli sole also were at the crime scene.

Crime scene hairs and fibers:

Hairs found in a dark knit cap were similar to Simpson's hairs; fibers on a cap were similar to those in the carpeting of Simpson's Ford Bronco; dark blue cotton fibers were found on Goldman.

Prosecution: Evidence places Simpson at the crime scene; noted that a witness said Simpson wore a dark sweat suit the night of the murders.

Defense: Hairs mean nothing more than assailant may have been black, as is roughly 10 percent of Los Angeles' population; also pointed to hairs that appeared to contain no dandruff, while Simpson's hair sample had some dandruff; no dark blue sweat suit was ever found; evidence could have been cast about the scene when a detective unfurled a blanket from Ms. Simpson's home to cover her body.

Bloody gloves:

One dark, cashmere-lined Aris Light leather glove, size extra large, was found at the murder scene, another behind Simpson's guest house, near where Brian "Kato'' Kaelin heard bumps in the night. Ms. Simpson bought Simpson two pair of such gloves in 1990. DNA tests showed blood on glove found on Simpson's property appeared to contain genetic markers of Simpson and both victims; a long strand of blond hair similar to Ms. Simpson's also was found on that glove.

Prosecution: Simpson lost the left glove at his ex-wife's home during the struggle and, in a rush, inadvertently dropped the right glove while trying to hide it; explained that evidence gloves didn't fit Simpson in a courtroom demonstration because the gloves shrunk from being soaked in blood and Simpson had rubber gloves on underneath.

Defense: glove behind guest house was planted by Detective Mark Fuhrman, a racist cop trying to frame Simpson; blood on glove may have been planted by police; gloated that evidence gloves didn't fit; hair analysis isn't sophisticated enough to be trusted.

Bloody socks:

Pair of dark, crumpled socks found at the foot of Simpson's bed; DNA tests found the genetic markers of Simpson and his ex-wife.

Prosecution: contended this directly linked a victim to Simpson.

Defense: suggested socks were planted at house by police, then blood was put on socks later at the police lab to frame Simpson; most compelling evidence of tampering is that some blood soaked all the way through one sock to other side, which it shouldn't have done if a foot was in it.

Bloody Bronco:

Small spot of blood found near driver's outside door handle of Simpson's Ford Bronco; other blood found smeared inside on console, door, steering wheel and carpeting; DNA tests showed some of the blood apparently a mixture with genetic markers of Simpson and the victims.

Prosecution: said Simpson drove Bronco to and from crime scene.

Defense: challenged interpretation of DNA tests, particularly those suggesting a genetic match to Goldman in a mixture; noted that the genetic material of an unknown person was found in the steering wheel blood; suggested police planted some of the blood; elicited testimony that the Bronco was entered at least twice by unauthorized people while it sat in a police impound yard.

Timeline:

Murders occurred between 10:15 p.m. and 10:40 p.m., based on testimony from prosecution and defense witnesses who heard barking from the area of the crime scene. Ms. Simpson's blood-covered pet Akita was found shortly before 11 p.m.

Prosecution: Simpson lacked an alibi or even plausible story for what he was doing alone during this period; pointed to testimony of a neighbor who saw a vehicle similar to a Bronco racing away from the crime scene at 10:35 p.m.; suggested that Simpson would still have had time to make the approximately five-minute drive home in time for Kaelin to hear bumps behind guest house at about 10:40 p.m.; suggested that the shadowy figure seen by a waiting limousine driver slipping into Simpson's house just before 11 p.m. was Simpson returning from the murders.

Defense: Simpson didn't have enough time from when he was last seen by Kaelin about 9:40 p.m. to drive to Ms. Simpson's home, kill two people, hide bloody clothing and murder weapon, drive home, drop glove behind guest house and clean up before greeting the limo driver about 11 p.m.; told jurors during opening statements that Simpson was home practicing his golf swing at the hour of the murders.

Violent past:

Through 911 calls to police and testimony, prosecutors allege a history of Simpson hitting, degrading and stalking Ms. Simpson.

Prosecution: pointed to motive, showing Simpson was prone to jealous rages and capable of hurting his ex-wife; suggested Goldman died because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and Simpson may have seen him as a potential suitor.

Defense: irrelevant, isolated events that were poorly supported by what little evidence the prosecution presented.

By The Associated Press

 

Very thorough summary, if correct I was wrong on blood evidence.

However this, a confession by a convicted serial killer on death row who killed several women he knew for no good reason: Documentary: Serial killer, not O.J., killed Simpson and Goldman - CNN.com

Suggests that Simpson knew and hired the killer to recover some diamond earrings he gave NCBS. Killer was white and had long blond hair and would thus be likely to wear a cap whereas no reason for OJ to wear a cap; would also be likely to wear gloves to avoid leaving prints given his mission and need to conceal white hands on a dark night. Killer drove a white work SUV similar to OJ, or possibly OJ gave him a ride to the scene and waited for him while he did the deed. Killer socialized with NCBS and at least one of her druggie woman friends, and boasted to his brother at the time that she was rich and he was going "to take her down". Killer took a brooch off NCBS dead body and sent it to his mother the very next day.

My theory, perhaps Simpson met killer afterwards either at his house, or nearby, presumably to get diamonds and pay the fee. Perhaps it was the hired thief/killer that jumped the fence and dropped the glove. There was some fourth person's blood in the samples.

Also apparently soles with that same pattern were used on a host of different shoes not just BM, including work boots.

When you have convicted serial killer/knifer who did work on NCBS house and knew both OJ and NCBS at the time, who stated his intent to his brother, and who confessed on death row, you have to say that this Theory C is at least as plausible as the other theories.

The only eye-witness says he saw a white SUV parked outside that evening; and also a white guy waiting at NCBS' gate; and finally that he saw Nicole (made eye contact with her) simultaneously crossing the street heading back to her place maybe having taken dog out for a walk.

 

Wow, you can always count on your brother !

Anecdotal, and even eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. This story still doesn't explain OJ's blood drops at the crime scene, and on the back gate of the house. OJ really didn't have any explanation as to how he got the cut on his finger, when he testified at the civil trial. Notice that the defense claimed police planted the blood there, because that's all that they could say. It's damming evidence. There is no other reason for those blood drops being there that night, other than OJ killed them, and cut his finger on the knife. I work with sharp metal (Chinese don't care if their equipment contains sharp metal edges) equipment all day long, and rarely cut myself. And when I do, the first thing I do, is to patch it up before I get blood all over. Superglue works well in this regard. Odd that OJ would not attend to the wound, and drip blood all over his own house as well.

 

Well there are two explanations: one, blood was not proven to be at crime scene itself, it was only proven to be in the police samples. And the police were shown to be sloppy and/or a slick with the evidence. Or two, when hired thief/killer came back to truck to report to OJ that things went south, OJ went over there to see for himself, maybe to recover something (eg the diamonds) that got left behind, before they both left.

 

The police didn't cut OJ's finger. So there's still no explanation of how that cut got there. And Kato testified that he saw fresh drops of blood in OJ's house long before the police arrived. Just a coincidence ? Not likely.

 

Oh man now this has become a did oj actually do it thread?? This was over twenty years ago now. I don't care if those two people did more blow than manziel and Charlie sheen combined. Doesn't make oj innocent of anything. If You think that this manipulative psychopath was innocent and the police miraculously obtained his DNA without his knowledge somehow then you need to get your head examined.

 

Best post so far in a thread that has really drifted.

Since the owner in 1996, V12, has chimed in, perhaps he could request the DMV report, (since you note a current or previous owner can make the request), which would cover the period of NSB' or OJ's ownership. Since Jon is 99.9% sure he has the NSB Mondial, I bet he would even cover the $15 fee to determine the authenticity.

Regards,
Jerry

 

Too bad the car wasn't previously owned by Elvis.

Vintage Go Kart Elvis Loved His " Yazoo Dragster" RARE Kart | eBay

 

OJ was required to provide a blood sample to the police.

OJ said he cut his finger on a broken glass. Maybe it was his coke razor. Fact is, Goldman was a karate guy and a fitness freak, but OJ had no other injuries. You would think he would have at least a bruise or two, maybe some scratches, bloody nose perhaps?

 

Oh man, you can't be serious LOL

 

Chuck Norris couldn't go up against a pro football player with a knife. Goldman had defensive wounds, but he was probably dead within the first few seconds of the fight.

I know the media slants things, but why did OJ have to lie about never owning Bruno Magli shoes ? Too bad the 40+ pictures of him wearing Bruno Magli shoes didn't show up before the criminal trial.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5m0QFmMUMI

 

Actually there is a lot of technique to knife fighting and it takes a lot of puncture wounds and slashes to put someone down if they are resisting. Adrenaline will keep someone going til their blood pressure drops below the point where the brain blacks out for lack of 02. That is why fatal stabbings often involve dozens of wounds, many to the chest. Also why the Bowie knife was invented: bigger blade more blood faster demise.

My guess is whoever wielded the knife had some experience. He did both of them in without a lot of yelling. A serial killer who boasted he had done 70 people in would be able to do it fast and fairly quickly, and keep himself fairly clean in the process. Hand over mouth from behind, slashing cut to the side of the neck severing the carotid artery. Direct spray away from self. An amateur would take longer, get messier, and would likely end up with some scratches and bruises.

That Furman guy knew exactly where to go to find the second glove. He and his partner trespassed on OJ's property first thing next morning without a warrant. They went there directly from the crime scene. Wouldn't be the first time a cop planted evidence.

OJ did not testify at the criminal trial, regarding his shoes or anything else.