Is it time for gun control in Washington?

Unfortunately there seems to be a lack of under standing that mass killings and gun laws are not correlated.

Are there more or less guns In Australia now since the ban?
More or less mass shootings?

Mexico has very strict gun laws. Mexico is among the worst in mass killings.

Gun laws in the US are more strict in 2016 than they were in 1990.

Kai

 

1. The Aussies are given some leeway as it pertains to P&R within their subforum. It's an old oddity that continues to this day.
2. Because they are smugly superior about their gun laws, and think all should behave as they do, at least as it pertains to gun ownership.

D

 

+1
It ain't P&R - mass killings make worldwide news, and we're not transfixed by your second amendment, you are.

 

Here's one reason we're a bit pi$%ed off.

Chris Lane: Chancey Luna, 17, found guilty of murdering Australian baseballer in Duncan - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

He we go again in Dallas.

 

But there is no correlation between gun laws and mass killings.

No Siree, Bob

 

Just causation.

 

Yer right there,just grab yer M16/AK 47 and walk down any Texan street....

 

Yee-haa!!

What could possibly go wrong?

 

Apples and oranges.

That was an organized attack on police officers as a result of a perceived inequity in the legal/political system here in the USA.

D

 

Yep, a black and white case of "I thought he had a gun in the glovebox " so I better start shooting

 

I agree - this is a whole different deal. Even more scary, if that's possible. The 2nd amendment folk always talk about needing their guns in case of civil war, they may just be getting their wish...
Truly hope I'm wrong.

 

Do your own investigation Kai - gun deaths in Australia are a tiny percentage of the U.S. Figures (deaths per 100k population). Last mass shooting was around 2 years ago.

Mexico may have strict gun laws, but are they ever enforced? Just not as tough as the corruption I guess, hey?

 

The dead guy had a LTCF, and was, apparently, reaching for it while explaining to the cop that he was licensed to carry.

Giant cluster **** all around on this one.

I think the underlying issue with some of these police inspired deaths is that there seems to be a double standard that allows the police to use excessive force in the situations with impunity. I don't know how to solve that one since the cops are confronted with armed perps all day and night.

Had a deputy sheriff by the house the other day (fender bender out front of my house) and one of his first questions was, "do you know if your neighbors have any guns?" I told him I did not know, but that WE had several in the house, all locked up and not loaded.

It's not safe for cops out there, and I think, eventually that might be what starts to tip the scales on this out of control gun ownership issue.

D

 

A story this morning Dallas police used a robot to take out a shooter, it is the first time it was used in a domestic incident.
Dallas Shootings: How police use robot explosives

 

Police determined the safest approach was to blow the guy up rather than risk additional lives with a human assault.

As long as you're sure you have the right guy, I have no problem with this, AT ALL.

Perp was trained by the U.S. Military, and had apparently kept some of his military issue body armor.

Bad news all around. And, I fear it's just going to get worse, much worse.

D

 

Thank you, exactly right

If there weren't SO many guns readily available then this would be a rare incident .... I can't remember the last time a cop blew away a motorist but I'm sure I'm next

Unfortunately for you guys the genie is already out of the bottle

 

I do not know the answer, but if I was the mayor of that city I'd be making sure the legal people immediately make the police accountable for their very much unprovoked killings, and in parallel I'd have a huge community meeting where the first thing I would say is that our police have made some mistakes and we are reviewing our training and we need to work together to move forward.
Pete

 

Won't happen. That'd be the same as admitting liability and no lawyer worth his stuff would allow his client, in this case the police, the city and the individual officers, to admit that openly.

The real problem seems to be the legal system, and it doesn't seem to matter if it's a jury trial or before a judge, the cops who shoot people in what appear to be clearly illegal circumstances, don't get convicted. Often times, a grand jury won't even indict them.

D

 

I have long said it is time for drug testing in all the world's major capitals.

 

**** that, let's take a more logical approach.

Adding drug testing to gun applications would certainly be an interesting option. I'd betcha 50% of the applications would be denied if we did, maybe more.

When we added drug testing to our employment applications, about 75% either refused and left, or failed. Our worker's comp rates dropped by 300% in +- 5 years as our claims went from thousands a year to ZERO. I suspect you'd get a similar result with guns, cutting accidental deaths by a significant number. It would not eliminate the crazies, but you have to start somewhere.

D

 

Well the American system is fncked then. The police are NOT above the law and that is what appears to be happening here, ie. he is black and while legally allowed to carry he must be dangerous, therefore shoot him.

How the police can NOT be charged for the guy that was shot while being arrested, lying face down with his hands being cuffed is beyond me. That was 100% murder, and if I was a African American living in that State I'd be right pissed.

Often the first step in solving something is to look at yourselves ... come on police, stop shooting African Americans.
Pete
btw: One of my step-sons is a police officer in Sydney and yeah they have to deal with a lot of *****; and I believe the majority of the police force in the Dallas are very damn good, but there are obviously a few that are way too trigger happy and need to be brought into line.

 

Yes good idea. Drugs are related to a lot of violent attacks ... in Australia and NZ, anyway. ICE, P, whatever you want to call it, is a bad drug.
Pete

 

It wasn't Dallas Police that started the problem.

They were working crowd control for a demonstration in support of the two that got killed IN OTHER CITIES.

D

 

Apologies, my mistake.
Pete