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  1. sperry

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    #226 sperry, Aug 21, 2016
    Lot 104 hammer 180
    Lot 105 hammer 38
    Lot 106 hammer 262.5
     
  2. F1tommy

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    #227 F1tommy, Aug 21, 2016
    Yes I have seen the "patina" shots before...Do you have any pictures of the car in the shop after they stripped the red paint off?? It must been very hard and almost impossible to do without hurting some of the grey paint, and that's if they did not sand it before applying red. A very nice and important car.
     
  3. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #228 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 21, 2016
    I have pm'd you with two questions. Thanks so much for the information.... Gooding not doing too well, only one of the last six lots have sold.
     
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    #229 sperry, Aug 21, 2016
    Pretty ugly run of no sales going on now. Hard to know whether it's the cars, the market or fatigue after a long week. The room is as full as yesterday.
     
  5. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #230 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 21, 2016
    Very interesting. Any comments on why the SWB hasn't run yet? Am I missing something
     
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    #231 sperry, Aug 21, 2016
    That's going to be up in a few minutes.

    1.1M hammer sale on the Marmon 16 gets things back on track.
     
  7. sperry

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    #232 sperry, Aug 21, 2016
    288 GTO hammers at 2.2M

    The motorcycle lot was skipped and the SWB is up now.
     
  8. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #233 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 21, 2016
    SWB a $9.3 mil no sale
     
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    #234 sperry, Aug 21, 2016
    SWB starts at 5. Moves in 200k increments until 8.2, then 100k jumps to 9.3 with a bidder on the phone dropping out at 9.2. Passed lot. Auctioneer says he needs 9.4. Not clear whether there was another real bidder in the room.

    A lot of people are now getting up either for a pit stop or to leave...
     
  10. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #235 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 21, 2016
    Gooding (Sunday) is so far a 50% sell through rate......
     
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    #236 intrepidcva11, Aug 21, 2016
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    just saw it - wow! opening bid was $5M, went pretty quickly to $9.3 and auctioneer said he needed $9.4M. This was a classische car with extraordinary provenance. A 575M sold at $160K + buyer's commission
     
  12. Marcel Massini

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    #237 Marcel Massini, Aug 21, 2016
    "Without provenance"???
    Absolutely not. The history of 3359 GT is fully known from day one to today. See also Gooding catalog and description.

    There are currently at least 7 SWB Berlinettas on the market, that explains no sale. How many can the market absorb? How many do you need?

    Marcel Massini
     
  13. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #238 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 21, 2016
    What Marcel said.....
     
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    #239 kevin956, Aug 21, 2016
    Thank you. The Miller 962-108 reached a $2.3m high bid at the Mecum Kissimmee auction in January, so that's two auction attempts with about the same result. It was also at Rennsport Reunion with a "for sale" sign, so clearly not motivated to sell.

    Wonder what the reserve was for 962-122. I would have thought $750k would have gotten it done.

    Thanks again.
     
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    #240 11506apollo, Aug 21, 2016
    Where has Max gone? I must be missing something . Did he quit or jumped ship?
     
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    #241 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 21, 2016
    Nearly $12 million for the Alfa incl. comms
     
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    #242 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 21, 2016
    Resigned and now runs Girardo in London, England.

    Girardo & Co.
     
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    #243 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 21, 2016
    Type 55 Bug not sold @ $9.1 mil.
     
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    #244 Juan-Manuel Fantango, Aug 21, 2016
    Marcel tell us about the Queen Mother seems 185 was low? I noted it had your report.
     
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    #245 intrepidcva11, Aug 21, 2016
    Marcel, I had misstated and corrected my post before I saw your correction. Completely agree with your assessment of the market, both the SWB's and the market generally. The truly unique and hyper-rare cars will continue to be strong, probably not as shockingly so as a year ago but the market for production cars smells quite soft
     
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    #246 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 22, 2016
    David Gooding announced $129 million in sales (record for Gooding) over the two days and an 80% sell through. All of the results are subject to confirmation.

    Gooding 8/21/2016 101 1956 Austin-Healey 100/4 BN2 BN2-L/231033 $50,000.00 $75,000.00 $31,000.00 $34,100.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 102 1955 Porsche 356 Speedster 80612 $350,000.00 $425,000.00 not sold @ $290k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 103 1928 Morris Oxford 266091 $30,000.00 $40,000.00 $54,000.00 $59,400.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 104 1962 Jaguar E-Type Series 1 Roadster 876479 $250,000.00 $325,000.00 $180,000.00 $198,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 105 1977 Toyota FJ-40 Land Cruiser FJ40243744 $60,000.00 $80,000.00 $38,000.00 $41,800.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 106 2006 Ford GT 1FAFP90S66Y401676 $300,000.00 $350,000.00 $262,500.00 $288,750.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 107 1974 Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7 MFI 9114600422 $225,000.00 $275,000.00 $185,000.00 $203,500.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 108 1960 Ferrari 250GT Series II Cabriolet 2143GT $1,500,000.00 $2,000,000.00 not sold @ $1.3 mil., post block sale
    Gooding 8/21/2016 109 1947 Alfa Romeo 6C2500S Pininfarina Cabriolet 915325 $450,000.00 $650,000.00 not sold @ $410k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 110 1959 Lancia Flaminia Sport 82400-1061 $750,000.00 $1,000,000.00 not sold @ $625k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 111 1970 Mercedes-Benz 280SL 113.044.12.015336 $175,000.00 $225,000.00 $155,000.00 $170,500.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 112 1957 Aston Martin DB2/4 Mark II DHC AM.300/1265 $450,000.00 $550,000.00 not sold @ $340k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 113 1976 Lamborghini Countach LP400 Periscopo 1120154 $1,200,000.00 $1,500,000.00 not sold @ $900k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 113 1962 Ferrari 250GT Short Wheelbase 3359GT $10,000,000.00 $12,000,000.00 not sold @ $9.3 mil.
    Gooding 8/21/2016 114 1954 Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith Limousine DLW125 $100,000.00 $130,000.00 $100,000.00 $110,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 115 1971 Maserati Ghibli SS 4.9 Spyder AM115S1237 $1,750,000.00 $2,250,000.00 not sold @ $1.45 mil, post block
    Gooding 8/21/2016 116 1975 Porsche 911 2.7S 9115200989 $60,000.00 $80,000.00 $67,000.00 $73,700.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 117 1931 Marmon Sixteen Le Baron Convertible Coupe 16144652 $1,200,000.00 $1,500,000.00 $1,100,000.00 $1,210,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 118 1963 Maserati Sebring Series 1 AM101.01563 $350,000.00 $425,000.00 not sold @ $270k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 119 1985 Ferrari 288 GTO 57481 $2,250,000.00 $2,750,000.00 $2,200,000.00 $2,420,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 123 1948 Cisitalia 202CMM 002CMM $2,000,000.00 $3,000,000.00 Withdrawn
    Gooding 8/21/2016 124 1966 Lamborghini 350GT 316 $750,000.00 $950,000.00 $630,000.00 $693,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 125 1932 Rolls-Royce Phantom II Continental Figoni Berline 2MS $1,800,000.00 $2,200,000.00 $1,600,000.00 $1,760,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 126 1969 Ferrari 365GTB/4 12525 $750,000.00 $850,000.00 $650,000.00 $715,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 127 2002 Ferrari 575M ZFFBV55A120129443 $140,000.00 $180,000.00 $160,000.00 $176,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 128 1933 Alfa Romeo 8C2300 Monza 2311218 $12,000,000.00 $15,000,000.00 $10,900,000.00 $11,990,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 129 1959 Ferrari 250GT Coupe 1447GT $700,000.00 $800,000.00 $600,000.00 $660,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 130 1957 Maserati A6G/54 2191 ? ? $3,000,000.00 $3,300,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 131 2011 Porsche 911 Speedster WP0CB2A93BS795620 $275,000.00 $325,000.00 $255,000.00 $280,500.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 132 1956 Ferrari 250GT Boano Alloy Coupe 0613GT $1,500,000.00 $2,000,000.00 $1,350,000.00 $1,485,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 133 1934 Packard Twelve 1107 Dual Windshield Tourer 731-13 $550,000.00 $700,000.00 $450,000.00 $495,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 134 1972 Ferrari 246GT 3542 $375,000.00 $425,000.00 $390,000.00 $429,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 135 1932 Bugatti Type 55 55-213 $10,000,000.00 $14,000,000.00 not sold @ $9 mil., post block sale
    Gooding 8/21/2016 136 1989 Ferrari 328GTS ZFFXA20A5K0081887 $180,000.00 $220,000.00 $250,000.00 $275,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 137 1935 Auburn 851SC Boattail Speedster 33151E $900,000.00 $1,200,000.00 $900,000.00 $990,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 138 1954 Aston Martin DB2/4 Bertone Spider LML/505 $3,000,000.00 $4,000,000.00 $2,800,000.00 $3,080,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 139 1959 Porsche 356A Convertible D 86090 $325,000.00 $375,000.00 $295,000.00 $324,500.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 140 1948 Cadillac Series 62 Saoutchik Cabriolet 486234577 $1,000,000.00 $1,500,000.00 $820,000.00 $902,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 141 1984 Porsche 911SC/RS WP0ZZZ91ZES110008 $1,400,000.00 $1,800,000.00 not sold @ $820k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 142 1972 Nissan Skyline GT-R Hakosuka KPGC10-001443 $225,000.00 $275,000.00 $170,000.00 $187,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 143 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 CSX3165 $1,200,000.00 $1,600,000.00 not sold @ $1 mil.
    Gooding 8/21/2016 144 1971 Rolls-Royce Phantom VI Frua Cabriolet PRH4643 $800,000.00 $1,200,000.00 not sold @ $580k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 145 1932 Lincoln KB Custom Berline KB758 $250,000.00 $310,000.00 not sold @ $190k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 146 1968 Ferrari 330GTS 10913 $2,700,000.00 $3,000,000.00 $2,275,000.00 $2,502,500.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 147 1963 Chevrolet Corvette 327/340HP Split window coupe 30837S118592 $120,000.00 $150,000.00 $100,000.00 $110,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 148 1960 Fiat Abarth 1000 Monoposto E1351 ? ? not sold @ $800k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 149 1975 Ferrari 365GT4 BB 18635 $525,000.00 $575,000.00 not sold @ $470k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 150 1937 Mercedes-Benz 540K Cabriolet C 154062 $1,200,000.00 $1,400,000.00 $975,000.00 $1,072,500.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 151 1992 Porsche 911 America Roadster WP0CB2963NS460839 $140,000.00 $180,000.00 $120,000.00 $132,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 152 1969 Iso Grifo 7 Litre 7L950.297 $625,000.00 $725,000.00 $620,000.00 $682,000.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 153 1960 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Roadster 198.042.10.002507 $1,100,000.00 $1,300,000.00 $1,125,000.00 $1,237,500.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 154 1960 Mercedes-Benz 220SE Cabriolet 128.030.10.003657 $150,000.00 $200,000.00 $105,000.00 $115,500.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 155 1961 Ferrari 250GTE 2369GT $450,000.00 $550,000.00 not sold @ $360k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 156 1941 Oldsmobile Series 66 Station Wagon 6654477 $125,000.00 $175,000.00 $75,000.00 $82,500.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 157 1960 Maserati 3500GT AM101.930 $250,000.00 $325,000.00 $235,000.00 $258,500.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 158 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider Veloce AR1495.04663 $140,000.00 $180,000.00 $135,000.00 $146,500.00
    Gooding 8/21/2016 159 1974 Ferrari 246GTS 7906 $350,000.00 $425,000.00 not sold @ $310k
    Gooding 8/21/2016 160 1958 Volkswagen Beetle 1805386 $45,000.00 $65,000.00 $65,000.00 $71,500.00
     
  22. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #247 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 22, 2016
    Thats it for Monterey 2016. I will be posting confirmed results for Bonhams, Gooding and RM when they become available, can take up to a week.

    If anyone wants a spreadsheet with all results for the 1252 lots offered at all six sales (will include Mecum and Russo & Steele) (will hopefully include Rick Cole although they refused to even tell their publicist the results for the 2015 sale) over the past week, please email me and I will add you to my address list.
    Cheers

    [email protected]
     
  23. Tom Roland

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    #248 Tom Roland, Aug 22, 2016
    A great thank you, Timmmm... You cured the pain of these endless quests.
    Am I right in concluding that most sales were done 20% under the estimates?
     
  24. PSk

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    #249 PSk, Aug 22, 2016
    I have a Barn Finds book, which is currently still packed and hidden somewhere, and somebody owned 2 8c2900's and they had taken the engine out of one car and put it in the other that had been restored (?). The car that the engine came out of was completely original and unrestored, but IMO was not as stunning as the Touring examples and the body was by somebody else. I believe they had reunited the engine with the correct chassis but it remained unrestored and not driveable (I think?, and sad IMO)

    But I am surprised that so many are supposedly original ... hmmm ...

    These are most definitely my favourite car by a long way, especially the Touring ones.
    Pete
     
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    #250 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 22, 2016
    Original imo means retaining mainly original components. #412021, the car Wessels discovered as part of a chassis bulldozed with the Testa Rossa #0720TR in the USA is not original because its 75%+ new but like the never ending saga of DP0003/0846, what is original?. Even post a south american restoration that likely compromised its total originality, the Revs Collection Mille Miglia winning Coupe remained whole, has its original chassis etc. so I would call it original. Very few would have all of their components but they are 80 years old so thats no surprise.
     
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