Dear all, This is my start at the forum - so pardon any newbie mistakes. I love the 308 and am now chasing one. However, as I live in Europe and am looking into US cars, I will have to pay import duties which are now based on CO2 emissions. On that, I have googled loads of sites but cant find at all any relevant information on CO2 emissiosn on a grams/km measure. Does anyone have figures on this? Cheers Ricardo
The California emissions sticker in the driver's side lower corner of the front window show emissions as follows for my 1983 US-spec 308 GTS Quattrovalvole: HC: 0.41 gms/mil CO: 7.0 gms/mil NOx: 0.7 gms/mil
He's looking for CO2 grams/km (which is basically another way to measure mpg or km/liter), not the small pollutants. Just go to a site that converts mpg (or km/liter) to CO2 grams/km like this: https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-fuelconsumption-from-mpg-to-gperkmgasoline.html?val=15 and take a swag at the 308 average mpg to get in the ballpark (Maybe 15 mpg? Maybe a carb 308 is a little worse? My foggy recollection is that an "official" mpg on the US window stickers didn't come along until the early 1980s)
I just had my '85 308 GTB QV smog tested in CA. I have attached the report and hope it provides you with some useful information. Good luck. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Almost certain no emissions based import tax applies to vehicles over ten years old in the UK and even for other parts of Europe the limit may be very low anyway so effectively any 308 would be included (albeit then sometimes discounted for age)
The NON-Catalysed, without any emission control device, Ferrari 328 in its "euro" version is ACTUALLY emitting about 320 grs of CO² per kilometre, this according to the measures taken on both my GTB and my GTS four weeks ago during their mandatory "contrôle technique". According to the measuring device, this is considered "acceptable" here for a non-catalysed car. Of course, it wouldn't be "acceptable" at all for a standard daily driver of today... Rgds
If none of those solutions work for you, there is a plate in the engine bay that lists tuning specs and gives some measure of CO2 emissions under certain loads. Might be able to extrapolate from that.
Thank you all! amazing responsiveness as always! Had no idea that CO2 emissions were just another way to read mpg consumption, so many thanks under that scenario, 320gm/km does make sense Many thanks all!
Thanks! You are probably right, but have a place in the South (Portugal) and would love to have the car there, as the sun shines 8 months instead of 2. The problem is that Porruguese law is awful on this.. at 320gm/km I'll have to pay 40k in taxes just to register the car there.. .. anyway...
Does that mean that there are no vintage cars in Portugal at all? That level of CO2 would apply to a whole host of classics and older cars.
Perhaps they do have the kind of regulation we have here in France for cars changing ownership after 2009 (I think it is 2009). If the car was already registered in France before, then no tax. If it was registered in any other country and is considered a heavy polluter, then tax. Rgds
It's as nerofer says - for all cars already registered in Portugal, no tax is due. For all imports, then a CO2 and engine size tax is due. For the 308, as an example, it seems I would have to pay ~10k for engine size tax and ~30k for CO2 emissions tax.. ridiculous isnt it? if the car is imported from the EU then the tax is cut in half.. so what I might do is register the car here in the UK, then register it in Portugal from the UK (so already within EU).. well, at least for the next 2 years.. what a mess!
..why don't you just register the car in UK and use it down there in Portugal, do you think it will cause any problems ?? I know people who did it here in Germany in the past, cars were registered in France and ran in Germany. This was in a time when they had no obligate technical inspection at all for cars in France and those guys put large wheels, sport pipes etc....whatever was illegal here, but with french plates.... Regards, Joachim
Hi Joachim, Thanks for the suggestion. I guess the problem is the insurance. If the car is registered in the UK, I would have to have UK insurance, which only allows for 90 days a year of out-of-UK travel. Not sure if they will be looking into eurotunnel tickets, etc.
Hi Ricardo, o.k. I didn't think about that.... and yes you're right they DO control all registration plates of cars.... at least when entering UK. My son lived in London for a couple of years for his job and drove a german registered car to avoid the crazy insurance rates for young drivers in UK until the day he got a letter....to register the car in UK or get it out of the country. Kind Regards, Joachim
Hi Ricardo i have for sale a 308 gts here in Portugal and it`s registered in the country. It only pays 70 euros tax per year. Regards
