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Problems with oil pressure 512tr, need help

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  1. mr_ferrari_sn

    mr_ferrari_sn Rookie

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    Hi

    I have a Ferrari 512tr year 1993, i have been expirancing low pressure oil after i did full engine restoration. when i first start the engine the oil pressure gagae shows above half level and when the engine warms up it drops to zero and the light comes on. when i excelrate it goes up to 1 bar. the engine sound is fine and no knoking sound coming from engine when i drive it. i replaced the sensor and it is still giving me the same reading. we toke the oil pump apart and we foung scratches inside the housing! i tried to find one to replace it and i couldnt find any used nor new from factory.

    my qustion is where i can find the pump and if its impossible dose anyone knows where i can find a place to fix it?

    i apprecate your help

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  2. Chief20123

    Chief20123 Karting

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    Do not start the engine until you found the problem. Your engine may get damaged if no oil is lubricating the bearings etc, if you start it. Take out the fuel pump fuses so the engine doesn't start. Have you tried Eurospares, Ricambi for new parts ?
     
  3. mr_ferrari_sn

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    yes no has its.


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  4. mr_ferrari_sn

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    but we checked the bearing it was ok. car drives perfect only the gage reading


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  5. maxvonauto

    maxvonauto Karting

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    In my experience, those scratches are not bad enough to create a zero (or close to) pressure condition. Check the pressure with a known good mechanical pressure gauge first (at the pressure sender location). Don't rev it, just idle it. If pressure drops below roughly 10psi/1000 rpm STOP.

    Remember, I believe you have a dry sump system which means you have a multiple stage pump for scavenging (sucking) the oil from the crankcase up to a holding tank which then feeds the pressure pump. There's probably an oil cooler in the circuit as well. If there's a restriction anywhere along this circuit you'll see low pressure. Also, make sure the holding tank has enough oil to start with!

    Since you mentioned the engine as being just rebuilt it could be an assembly issue as well. Maybe a bearing shell was left out, an oil galley plug not installed, a head gasket installed incorrectly, there are many possibilities but I'm not that familiar with the oiling circuit on that engine.
     
  6. Steve Magnusson

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    #6 Steve Magnusson, Sep 5, 2016
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    The 512TR WSM has some very good drawings with all the internal dimensional specs for the oil pumps (like, for the high pressure pump, the radial clearance from the gear ODs to the housing IDs should be .027~.048 mm, and the nominal clearances and wear limit for the bearing areas) -- unless you are outside those values, I wouldn't think a new housing would be needed (nor make any difference). And, forgive me if this seems overly-simplistic (compared to already disassembling the high pressure pump ;)), but did you try using a different oil filter (in case yours has collapsed internally)? Unless the housing and/or gears have some obvious dimensional problem, I'd be more suspicious of the pressure relief valve not working correctly, being stuck open, etc..
     
  7. Dave rocks

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    Steve's post is excellent. I don't know the 512's but if it is a dry sump, you can check the oil level in the tank under revs. If scavenge pump is not working proper or screen is clogged, low OP can happen (not delivering oil to the tank at the proper rate)
     
  8. mr_ferrari_sn

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    thanks allot for the feedback. ill share your points with the mechanic and see the results. ill keep you updated. 😊


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  9. dontilgon

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    Any update?
     
  10. plugzit

    plugzit F1 Veteran
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    How's the bypass spring and valve in the pump?
     
  11. rossocorsa

    rossocorsa Karting

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    Check all of the oil lines, have seen on a 348 the main feed from the oil tank to sump collapsing internally causing restriction and loss of oil flow to the pump, resulting in low/no oil pressure.
     
  12. Lucaf1

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    Check the white molex connector on the left rear of the engine bay for corrosion, it's not water proof, the gauge may or may not show a reading, "Before you blame the oil pump" and also check the oil sender switch on the top of the oil filter housing.

    Btw what engine oil weight are you using, remember has to be "synthetic" 10w-50 minimum.

    TR do not like light weight oils!!!



     

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