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Euro 308GTB 1980 Exhaust Manifold replacement

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  1. Andy 308GTB

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    Following the success (?) of my previous ventures into the world of DIY spannering - I am now revving up for this winters project. There are numerous threads regarding replacing the exhaust manifolds/headers and the general consensus is that it is a crap job.

    I plan to purchase the Superformance manifolds, plus gaskets and sealing rings and probably nuts/bolts/studs/whatever. Inevitably, I will also end up replacing heat shields etc.

    The various threads appear to be divided on the ease of undoing the actual nuts that hold on the manifolds. Since mine have not budged in over 35 years and every other nut/bolt on the car has been a complete sh-ite to remove, I expect mine to be in the difficult category.

    Also getting the manifolds actually out of the engine bay appears to be a popular pastime. My car isn't encumbered with air con pumps etc. so I think that may make life easier. My plan is to put a jack under the engine to raise it slightly within the chassis - apparently this works/helps. I have no desire to remove petrol tanks, alternators etc.

    Any hints, tips or warnings would be gratefully received.
    Expect this thread to run & run once I get started, all being well, in the next couple of months.
     
  2. cls

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    I did mine when I had the gas tanks out, so access wasn't that tough. The nuts are brass (mine look more like copper) so they come off easily. The connection from the header to the first pipe (the steel bolts with springs) are the frozen ones. Removing the gas tank isn't that hard, makes it a lot more accessible, and easier to remove the header.
     
  3. mike32

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    Have a look at PD Gough in Nottingham as they do some great quality stainless ferrari systems at reasonable prices. They did an exhaust box for me and comes with lifetime warranty to the 1st buyer
     
  4. Andy 308GTB

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    I had always assumed that Superformance sourced their exhausts from PD Gough - and therefore the headers too.

    Several years ago I made some inquiries regarding exhaust boxes and the similarity in design and the pricing structure suggested that this was the case. But I am happy to be corrected.
     
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    My mechanic once said that the stock manifolds are quite a bit of a restriction for the engine to "breathe free". I don't know if there are replacement manifolds available with a bit of a larger diameter. Should I ever have to change them I would certainly look for these. Bigger diameter exhaust manifolds with slight adjustment of the carb jetting should give a noticable increase in power/drivability, he said. Just what a 308 could use, in my opinion !
     
  6. Andy 308GTB

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    The current choices of manifold that I have are

    Superformance (PD Gough?) at £820 + VAT = £984 (US$ 1300)
    Eurospares (Tubi) at £1190 + VAT = £1428 (US$ 1900)

    I don't think that I can realistically stretch to the Tubi manifolds but does anyone have experience of either.

    Alternatively I could take my old pipes along to these guys who are only up the road:
    Hand-Made Stainless Steel Exhaust Systems - Hayward and Scott and get a set made up. I've heard it's not cheap but looking at the money needed to buy an off the shelf set - it may be achievable...
     
  7. Martin308GTB

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    Hi Andy,

    I would definitely vote for the latter option, if the price is competitive. Why? When they make your manifolds with your old ones as a template, chances are high, that you can just throw in the new ones.
    I have heard of a lot of off the shelf exhausts and manifolds, which required a lot of adjustment with the help of heating and bending. If this happens to be necessary you will need a powerful torch.

    Best
    Martin
     
  8. Andy 308GTB

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    Thanks Martin. By all accounts H&S are quite expensive but I've asked them for a ballpark figure in any case.
    In my searching I have found another company that makes custom exhausts, also nearby in Basildon - who are less well known, don't appear to be so expensive but are highly recommended. I'll be calling them tomorrow.

    I struggle to see how I can't get a good job done & with plenty of change to spare from £1000. We shall see.

    I expect I may be seeking your guidance a fair bit this winter!
     
  9. Martin308GTB

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    I hope so :)
    And I would also support the smaller less known businesses, especially in the UK, which is famous for their passionate little workshops and factories supporting classic car owners.

    Best Regards
    Martin
     
  10. AndrewE

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    Andy,
    I am pretty sure you'll need to take the drivers side (in your case) fuel tank out to give you enough room to manouevre the manifold out.

    I also needed to take out the alternator when I changed mine (back to standard manifolds)

    I had the added fun of AC but I didn't need to move the pump but it did make it a bit more difficult

    Access to the manifold nuts is quite tricky and flexible and jointed socket extensions helped a lot!

    good luck
     
  11. mike32

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    Give Richard a ring at PD Gough and see what he quotes, you might be surprised. They sell them under the Nouvalarie name in the us. If he supplies Superperformance it is news to me, but i might be wrong
     
  12. Andy 308GTB

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    Hi Andrew - you were my inspiration for this job many years ago!
    So the job is inevitably getting bigger & trickier.

    Did removing the fuel tank & alternator mean that you didn't have to lift the engine block off the engine mounts?
     
  13. Andy 308GTB

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    I will do that and report back.
     
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    I was quoted almost double the Superformance price for a custom made pair of manifolds. I think they would be a thing of beauty but are sadly out of my price range.

    The smaller business that I contacted only made boxes and pipes - manifolds were too complex and time consuming to be practical for them.
     
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    Ouch. I'm sure you're right about the complexity. I saw a 250 GTO getting a beautiful s/s exhaust made at a place opposite my old Alfa's garage. I don't recall the name but it's on Nunn Brook Rise in Huthwaite. They were very well regarded and were also doing more prosaic machinery when I popped in; may be worth one last try. As already said, a templated one will likely fit with very little effort which has to be worth a few £..
     
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    #16 Andy 308GTB, Sep 6, 2016
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    This is the Hayward and Scott system built for a 308GT4 race car:
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    Well it was worth a try, on their web site they have a gallery with pics of the systems they make or u can take a pattern. Remember super perfornance prices are without vat.
     
  18. Andy 308GTB

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    Sorry Mike, that was the Hayward and Scott price, I will speak to P D Gough tomorrow and report back.
     
  19. malh001

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    I've just had new Superformance stainless manifolds and pipes fitted to mine which are mated to a Nouvalari silencer. Really pleased with the result and it sounds better too.

    I wasn't brave enough to change them myself though.
     
  20. AndrewE

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    Andy not sure I will be an inspiration after you get stuck in!

    I didn't need to Indio the mounts but I'd I recall I may have had to jack the engine up a bit!

    The alternator seemed to be the most difficult to wriggle through the chassis tubes



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  21. Andy 308GTB

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    #22 Andy 308GTB, Nov 1, 2016
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    The season of daft questions is about to engulf the helpful souls of FChat 308/328 Section. Yes! The winter maintenance schedule got underway this evening.

    Road Tax cancelled, garage tidied, worktop cleared, battery disconnected & car on jacks...

    The aim is to replace the exhaust manifolds.

    But whilst I'm at it the following jobs will be undertaken:
    - Alternator to be rebuilt (local firm)
    - Starter Motor to be rebuilt (local firm)
    - Long hoses to be replaced (Brake booster?)
    - Fuel hoses between petrol tanks to be replaced
    - Gaiter on gearbox linkage to be replaced

    My first jobs will be to remove
    - rear inner wheel arches
    - both petrol tanks
    - muffler/silencer

    Then I'll go for the exhaust manifolds, starter motor & alternator

    Completion date is March 2017
    Last years maintenance overrrun by 4 months to give you a clue...
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  23. derekw

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    Andy, get a cheap thin-walled 6-point 13mm socket and a couple of short wobble extensions for the manifold nuts. I used 1/4 inch drive to allow more space. If you have a compact electric or pneumatic ratchet it helps a lot. Put penetrating oil on the rusted exhaust pipe bolts/nuts (I heated mine with a small propane torch and then sprayed them-- keep a wet cloth behind the flame and a fire extinguisher handy!)
     
  24. Martin308GTB

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    Hi Andy,

    don't know how much leisure you have, but it sounds easily doable within 5 months.
    BTW. I also want to replace my tank crossover hoses this winter. What's the best way to drain the tanks? I'm a bit afraid of this job. I have my garage inside the house and would prefer to do it outside, but now that I have a lift.....

    Best Regards
    Martin
     
  25. waymar

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    I drained my tanks in the garage with door open and a fan blowing out. Had about 4 gal fuel. Drained via the plug in the bottom cross over pipe. Make certain the catch bucket can handle gas and doesn't melt.
     

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