430MT vs. 430 Scuderia

I'm a manual fanatic, yet I voted with my wallet and bought the scud. No comparison in my opinion between the two. I previously had a 360 MT, and loved it. The 430 is an even better car and I was tempted by the 430 manual, but after driving both, I had a strong preference for the scud. I'm not an F1 fan, and at first I wasn't sure about the F1, but I've grown to love it in that particular car. My other fun cars are all manuals.

 

For the 430 specifically, I don't think we have seen any proof yet of an actual conversion from an F1 car to a manual. I know there have been questions about the possibility on here over time, but correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think anyone on fchat has actually done a 430 MT conversion, or even been able to show proof of a 430 that has been converted. If I recall, some of the mechanically savvy people on here believed it would be a more difficult and costly conversion for a 430 than a 360 due to the ediff.

 

I own both. The 430 mt was my 1st Fcar and I love it. There is feeling while rev matching and hearing the click clack of the shifter that is just special. And it makes you feel like you are a much better driver, very satisfing to the soul. Mine is likely worth $3 because I drive it a lot, 35k miles now. I will continue to drive it and don't care what it's valve is to others, it contributes greatly to my personal happiness. Great car, memories of my 1st Fcar ride w my Dad, etc. what's the value of that?

The Scud is a monster. Love her too. Have lots of other parts so I can change her form - street car to race car. Sometimes she is a full challenge car- bumpers, suspension, slicks. 2 days ago I was chasing an IMSA GT2 transam corvette-pro driver- didn't catch him but was less then 1sec/lap slower. He was more shocked then me that a car w power windows and AC could do that. It does feel more special then the mt. The Scud is wasted on the street just like the mt would be wasted on track.

In the end I believe both are awesome, you can't make a bad decision here. If you factor in the money, ebs and flows over time change it all, and really we have day jobs to earn so the cars should not have too. Buy what you like but end use should help your decision.

 

I don't think you can go wrong with either. Both are exclusive enough and exciting enough to be desirable for a very long time.
If I had to split hairs and pick one to be more destined to be a classic Id pick the Scud. Im sure the MT would be more liveable as a driver, but Ferrari afficionados seem to have racing fantasies in the back of their minds so, the Scud has that little extra going for it.

 

I agree with everything except the "driving a MT on a track is a waste" comment. I have a MT coupe and have tracked it quite a bit. I won't pretend it's as fast as a Scud. I've been on tracks with them and know better. A portion of the handling advantage a Scud has can be mitigated by using the sticky tires and 235 fronts that Scuds come with.

Dave

 

430s were engineered as F1. Manual was then offered as an afterthought and not the primary engineering solution. So… if you want the car the way it's maker intended, then its 430 F1 or Scud all the way.

The current 'investment' crazed market is simply giving MT cars a premium based on rarity, nothing more. They are not 'better' cars.

 

I have never driven one but I think the Scud is going to be a more sound investment in enjoyment and probably financially also.

I was not a fan of F1 but CSs only came that way. I must say that I am thoroughly enjoying it 3 years later.

I have a Porsche for my MT needs but if I could only keep one it would be the CS (or in your case a Scud).

 

As these cars age, you will see rarity as an important criteria for people who collect them. The F430 might not yet be in that category, but its not too far away... Rarity is almost always an important factor. As to conversions, I say great, let people enjoy their cars how they want, but I wouldn't buy a car like this, with the pricing they are achieving without full documentation, including window sticker etc. So you will know.

I have driven both on the street and track and I understand where the comment "Scud for track, F430 for street" comes from. As a quick and dirty understanding of the nature of each vehicle, its fair. But you really can have an absolute hoot of a time with the F430 at the track or the Scud on the street.

Ferrari indented to sell the F430 with a stick. Saying its not intended is like saying they don't want you to have shields because they used to be only for racing cars. Yet they offer them. That said, I think the difference besides the control over the transmission is the F1 car has a more advanced e-diff program whereas the stick car either has a more basic or perhaps even a mechanical rear diff. (All this is from memory so pardon if I have something inaccurate)

And the Scud has the most awesome F1 transmission ever.

I don't see why praising one is knocking the other.

I will continue to enjoy my MT 430.

 

Agreed! +1


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scuderia for sure !

 

The chassis is similar bar strengthening but the electronics of the F430 are considerably more advanced than in the 360, and the various systems were designed to work in unison i.e. the F1, ESP, and importantly: E-Diff. I think that's what the other poster means.

 

The e-diff is identical in both cars (that is F1 vs 3 pedal, not scuds). It is a traction control device and it does not care how the tranny is shifted. It handles the power to the wheels identically.

Dave

 

It's true, the scud does make me feel like schumi

 

I thought that for F1 there is a slight lock up during shifts in parallel with the DME torque cut.

 

Good point but the difference is I have never had a desire to own one. The OP is gathering opinions.

 

MT 430 = ordinary but very nice and somewhat rare
Scud = special

Not taking anything away form the MT but the rest of the car is ...ordinary. I get it if you must have a MT to be fulfilled but almost everything about the Scud is special including the superfast transmission, interior, exterior, performance. These cars are meant to be enjoyed, not coveted because of rarity. As for value, the MT is great, but could end up not being so rare and last of breed in the future as manufacturers realize there is a market for DIY shifting (see latest Porsche R). I have had many Ferraris and Porsche cars, with none being more exciting on the street than the Scud. To each his own!

 

The price of the latest Porsche R manual is a clue to the likely price of any future "special" manual Ferrari. Which may well push 430 MT cars even higher in price.
A Ferrari 430 manual, ordinary...?

 

I had both cars and put about 10 k miles on each , I prefer the Scuderia overall its just in a different level. The bare interiors , sound , F1 superfast gear shifts , looks etc all made it a much more visceral experience for me. That said , i would love to own both if possible.

 

While I think the demand will always be strong for a manual Ferrari, I wouldn't read too much into the prices of the 911R as being indicative of the demand for MTs.

The 911R was a strictly limited production car for 918 VIPs so very few will ever reach the open market. That exclusivity plus its bespoke design which is intended to evoke a modernized version of a purist grail Porsche are big factors in its value. Don't get me wrong, the MT doesn't hurt particularly since the current gen GT3/RS were only available as PDK cars. But the 911R is really it's own unique thing from a valuation point.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the next GT3 is released as there is a strong indication that this car will be offered in both MT and PDK.

 

I bet 90% go PDK. There are very few out there who don't want the best performance when they spend $200k on a sports car.