I'm with you both. Just cheapens the brand....Maybe they're going to a add a Metal Cavallino to the price list for £500?
It's a nickel alloy horse on the FF and does bend easily and all mine have had forged wheels and my Lusso is on order and will spend the £37.50 to have a horse I'm happy with. Doesn't make me a hypocrite just someone who can't see the logic or financial sense of such a down market change.
Will be amusing if customer cars show up with a metal horse and what Ferrari Los Angeles had was a pre production car of some sort. You guys have a lot of free time on your hands to debate so much about cars. At the end of the day, it is what it is... take it or leave it. I'm pretty sure most are going to take it.
Thank you Brian L for the review. You put a lot of effort into it. Congratulations on twisting its content to make it reflect your biased opinion, no surprise. In the end though your findings won't matter to the buyers or to the ownership experience of the car. People buy a Ferrari for the drive feel, not because it is built like a RR or Bentley. Ferrari has fixed the major issue of the rear design of the FF and has improved the design and functionality of the interior. Everything else is irrelevant for 99% of the people interested in the Lusso. You are focused to compare the Lusso to the FF, but have you compare it to a California or an older car like the 612? Your ENTIRE argumentation is vs the FF, for most people that simply makes it irrelevant. Compare the Lusso to the new Panamara for example... Also you can only buy the Lusso new and the FF used. If someone is ready to put $400k in a Lusso, they probably really don't care to compare it to a used FF since they wont buy it because it is not new and not specced the way they want. In 3-5 years your comparaison might become relevant again but by then many things can be different. Just as an example these are pre production or the first Lusso to come out. Some minor tweaks will go a long way and could negate all your arguments. Ferrari is always improving the cars, who knows how a Lusso will evolve in one or two years? You claim to be a professional designer, or at least in the business. That's great, but why does it qualify you better than others here to make judgements? Over the years we have visited over a hundred of professionally designed homes. We felt only a handful of them were designed properly, so sorry but we always take "professional" advices in the design industry with a grain of salt and we have noticed that the worst designed ones were always by the most vocal people about their credentials. Some fo the top designers only care about being published in magazines and don't create spaces for people to live in, they create showrooms. Last Brian, thank you for toning down a bit vs some of the older threads. Maybe there is still hope.
Just drove an FF, first time for 4 years. Was SO impressed- what a super car. Drove the GTC recently at length cant say that the difference was huge. A party from styling. Anyone who has an eye on the $ has to go used FF with Panoramic IMHO. Those with money to burn enjoy the Lusso.
True. Still, it just had to the trail of proofs showing that the Lusso is not keeping the promise of what we'd expect from a luxury soul full ferrari.
This has become really saad, an entire new V12 Ferrari is now dismissed because someone thinks it has a plastic horse on the grill.
Grow up. Nothing is "dismissed". Why can't you take a world with constructive criticism? Is this forum for 5 year old rich men only? I didn't get that memo. It's a cheaper car IMO. I can't list names and credentials of the people who I have spoken to, but they exist, and it's only one opinion there also. So I think you're sad. Grow up. Criticism is not bad, it's life. I certainly get plenty here for having a non-Borg opinion.
Hope for what? Being more like you? No thanks. My credentials don't matter, and my opinion is only one, as I have said repeatedly. You are arguing against a non threat. That's what defensive insecurity will do to anyone, breeds an emotional reply. If you like the car, buy one, many have. The people's opinion that I care about also think it's cheap and poorly integrated as a design. That's life.
I do hope this is the case. Looking at photos I see the same horse on all the cars. Let's hope they do more than just that. My list of quick fixes would be cheap.
If we cut through the personal salvos, what Brian has done in the original posts is very valuable in a world of ever-dwindling sources of independent assessment. Sure, they are only observations and opinions, but ones that are not commonly found in the mainstream media nowadays. F-chat may be one of the few places where such views can still be expressed freely. It would be a shame devalue that just because well researched/articulated views don't sit comfortably with some of the users here.
I will just order the horse from a previous model that I like and paint the front grill if it really bothers me. I did order the front grill with the dark edge option. I may even try to find the Cavalino in carbon which will give it a bespoke look as I am already using the carbon wheel centers on the forged wheels.
Sounds good. Enjoy making your 400,000 car not so cheap looking The big stuff is my real issue. The grill and horse are not the bulk of the review.
I've read more than 10 different reviews and they all say the GTC Lusso is an improvement in regard to all aspects of the performance and drivability. Not everyone who wants a daily driver with go when you want to push it wants a rough riding vehicle. I have several of rough riding hard core vehicles, the Lusso will be my daily driver.
Again, might be ideal for you. I hope so. Obviously I found it a smaller feeling Porsche that was too soft, and cheaply made. To each their own! Of course reviewers opinions should all be respected over an owner and driver. lol. Thanks for pointing that out. Bottom line, the new product is just as hit or miss as the FF. The day after I drove it, a F12, and a TDF driver also didn't like it. Some women did. Softer they said. No car is perfect. And no car is without fair or unfair criticism.
OP I enjoyed reading your review. I felt no need for upgrade to Lusso from FF too. Good job and keep it coming please
I have a 2016 911 GTS and compared to the 2014 FF, it's a joke. It's a fun toy but not the same league. It's also 150,000 not 365,000. So yes, relatively speaking Porsche materials and ride are cheaper. Porsche leather is definitely cheaper than Cali T/Lusso leather for one example. Suspension, engine, all cheaper to make. "cheaper" has many meanings. I'm using it to mean relative to the FF/F12/458 generation in this review, mostly. The Lusso drive when pushed in the corners at high revs was planted like a Porsche with the rear wheel steering. The normal drive was softer like a Porsche. Might be great for some people. I was not enjoying it. On the track a similarly powered 911 is a little faster than a 458, because it's more planted ... but the 458 is infinitely MORE FUN! I like the fun and responsive FF, some want more smooth. All good. But the materials, details and design integrity going back a step is a concern.
I can assure you I'm very not saad, as I'm expecting my new Lusso ( with plastic horse) in a few months and my deposit is in for the F12M, which I'm buying without seeing or driving by the way! so no I'm not Saad. Goodby I hope you resolve your issues as you seem like a good guy. Not bother replying to me as I'm moving on and no longer interested in what you have to say.
