Symptoms of cam timing error

I already posted a picture showing the fuel pipe location and the larger aluminium breather tube which runs above it.
There is a third tube which is not visible in the picture because its above the breather tube which the the open-to-air tank vent pipe. Although this runs across the bulkhead I dont believe its the same on all cars as I think I have seen this pipe on some cars go straight down from the filler neck down to the area of the bottom of the LH tank and just open there rather than routed across to the right.

What needs to be done is all the reflective sheet ripped out and the foam under it and either new foam fitted if originality is a concern or some other material fitted, but it needs to be mounted on the bulkhead directly so as not to narrow down the air gap. The same kind of material would probably be OK as long as the gap is there.

If using foam the foam needs to be 12mm thick silicone rubber foam and to replace it the RH tank needs to be removed and the LH tank pulled backwards. The exhaust heat shield needs to be removed (hopefully its present!!) and its just possible to get enough access to replace the foam. When I did mine I did have the front manifold and alternator off but I dont think thats 100% necessary.

Personally I would think that this needs to be done before driving the car any more because serious overheating of that area is going to happen with the air gap narrowed down that much.

If any pictures etc needed LMK. I have everything open at the moment as currently doing timing belts.

 

The first picture shows the bulkhead with no foam. There are 3 pieces, large vertical lower section, small vertical upper section and a horizontal piece under the parcel shelf rebate. The visible pipe is the fuel pipe.
Second shows all finished after replacement.
Your fuel pipe appears to be in pretty much the right vertical location but its too close to the engine.
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Thanks for the new pictures. If you have the chance, there is one other I would like and that is of the fuel filter as in the picture I uploaded. I would like to check its original position too.

One of the UK restorer/rebuilders of 328s told me that they often take of the foam and do not replace it with anything. Apparently it adds a little noise in the cabin, but nothing too much. Is that a good idea?

 

PS. The fuel line in your pictures does not look that much different to the one in mine. Perhaps it is the original, is spite of earlier suggestions to the contrary?

GG

 

If it is original then it has been mistreated, i wonder if they had to reshape it so it would fit after the insulation was fitted- it has a very bad kink plus other marks so i think it has been in a vice ?

If you decide to renew the pipe and you have to make one, let me know as i can let you know where to get the pipe if you cannot find this type.you just need the outside diameter .

 

OK, thanks for the offer about the piping. I will let you know when we decide what to do.

This is entirely irrelevant to these discussions but exactly twelve months ago today there were terrible storms in the South of France between Nice and Cannes. I think close to 20 people were killed some trying to save cars in underground garages. We were not there at the time and didn't face that danger but the 328 was submerged in around 30cm - 35cm of water. Fortunately it did not reach the engine -- there was a single pine needle in the exhaust -- but the interior was inundated and various low components at the front. The restoration is almost complete but it has been a long, tedious job, especially tracking down discontinued parts that were damaged in the cabin. The last outing, when the ignition leads caught fire, was the first proper trip in the car since then. Ah, well.

GG

 

USA cars dont have the foam I believe. A US owner here could likely comment on what these cars have.

Pic of fuel filter. It cant really go in the wrong place as there is a clamp secured with a nut to the bulkhead.
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Thanks for the picture. I thought there should be a clamp on the fuel filter as there is one shown in the diagrams but mine does not appear to have one. I think from your earlier pictures that the breather tube is also clamped to the bulkhead. How about the fuel line?

GG

 

The breather is clamped and the fuel pipe tied to it.

 

Thanks.

GG

 

my former 86 euro 328 GTS engine bay

ciao
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Thanks, Alberto.

GG

 

Puts my old mondial to shame, i wish mine was like that when i had it

 

Thanks, but that one was the worst of what I had

Ciao

 

It is a credit to you.

 

andyww, can you tell me what sort of tie is used to clamp the fuel line to the breather? I don't think it appears on Eurospares diagrams which only has brackets.

GG

 

These. I have loads of them so I could bung some in the post.

Incidentally I got 1/2 a point deducted at concours owing to the fuel pipe being painted rather than plated. Still won though
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Ah, cable ties. I guess I only need three or four so if you don't mind sending some, I will message you with the address.

Sorry to hear about your half-point deduction! It seems a little harsh.

GG