I need your opinion. lower mileage f430 or high mileage Scuderia

I actually think the opposite is true. Adding 15,000 miles to a car that already has 50,000 doesn't seem like that big of a deal. 50k, 65k, they're both in the high range. If you put 15,000 miles on a 10,000 mile car, however, you've much more than doubled the mileage of the car. I think this would have a bigger impact on value for the 10k car than the 50k car.

 

I wasn't talking about value. I was talking about how difficult it is to sell. At 50k miles, it looks like it's already a difficult car to sell. I'm not saying that no one buys Ferraris with 65k+ miles but it's a small pool of buyers and usually to get such a deal across the finish line, it requires it to be sort of a "no brainer" from a financial perspective.

The other problem is that prospective buyers looking for a high mileage Ferrari want to buy from someone who has a long Ferrari history and can prove above and beyond that car was well cared for.

 

Personally, I would go for the high mile scud over the standard 430 without thinking twice. But, it really depends on what your tastes are. Even though they are based on the same platform, and one was significantly more expensive new, they are different. You won't know that difference unless you drive both, and one will likely be your clear favorite. I drive a MT GT3 almost as a daily driver. I have a friend who drove my GT3, and said it's fun, but I'll stick with my more comfortable carrera. The car was too rough riding, way too stiff a clutch, and too loud for his tastes and for how he planned to use it. He could have had either....

 

I think it's more or less the same thing. I don't see a 65k-mile Ferrari being unsellable but a Ferrari with 50k being just fine. If you can find a buyer who is willing to buy a 50k-mile Ferrari, I would guess they'd be okay with a 65k-mile Ferrari too. The reality is that any Ferrari having over 20k miles is a "high-mileage" Ferrari in the U.S.

 

Well, at this point it's quite a feat sell a 50k mile Scud. The seller has had it for quite a while at $153 or thereabouts with no takers. Last week, a 30k mile scud was listed at $167k. I drive my F cars somewhere around 1100 miles a year or so. For me, I would gladly pay $14k extra for what is something like 18 years worth of miles that I could be the one to put on. I'm sure I'm not alone and this is what makes the car hard to sell. This goes back to what I said earlier: to make a car of this mileage work to a prospective buyer, it sort of has to be a no brainer from a financial perspective. I don't think $150 is that. To be honest, I don't think $140 is that either. That's not a knock on the car; it's a commentary on the marketplace.

And for the record, I love the car and think it would make a great car for someone if it makes financial sense.

Lastly, in true Fchat style, someone is going to buy it and when they do, 10 posters will chime in and say they should have bought it and are now kicking themselves but when in comes back up for sale in 18 months or whatever, it will again sit on the market for many months.

 

Beautiful car. White is rare.

No Daytona seats, no contrast stitching and no carbon accents. Those are a must for me personally.
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hay Alvin seen this post and thought I would chime in...looks like all people have great pointers on here and good input... but I figured I would help let people understand the car a little better.

1) the old owner has had a warranty on the car, and it actually still had it when it came in. since then not sure if he cancelled it or if even transferable or not but I will call tomorrow to ask, but it was a LASELLE WARRANTY CORP. WARRANTY he purchased it at a Ferrari store as well and had to go through huge inspections every year to keep the warranty valid. anyone that knows LaSalle understands how this works. THATS WHY A COMPRESSION TEST WAS DONE AND 2 YEAR SERVICE AT 49500 MILES OR SO. these services were a have to for the owner if he wanted to keep his warranty valid yearly. He did take advantage of warranty I'm sure and replaced everything he could of course and that's why a lot of service was done to car throughout the years.

bushings and mounts and tie rods , brakes, tires etc. and such have all been replaced when needed, any ppi can vouch for that plus I have the receipts here at my office.

2) yes car has 50k miles but I wish someone that actually seen this beauty in person can chime in on the quality and condition on the boards here. I bet if you took it to Ferrari they would tell you the same thing. You cant duplicate this quality on a 50k miles car . Believe me guys its almost impossible, I feel in my OWN OPINION you will run through 100 Ferraris I feel like before getting this quality on such a high miles car. Believe me I sell high mile FERRARI cars and I have never once had one with this many service records and actually be in showroom condition inside and out with nothing that I have to do to it to bring it up to par. and believe me that's hard for me to say on a 50k mile car that is almost 9 years old.

3) So best I thing I can do to show all and convince all is, LETS GET A FULLY REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT IN, I WILL GAURANTEE YOU A FREE PPI IF IT DOESNT PASS FOR ANY APPARENT REASON WHAT SO EVER AT ANY FERRARI STORE OF YOUR CHOICE WITH IN A 150 MILE RADIOUS OF ME. this meaning, tires, brakes, clutch, bushings, wear and tear items. things like that. if it don't pass, no questions asked I will gladly take that loss... but if it does pass cars all yours and you will be one happy customer that cant get another one of these even if we tried to find it again. AND BELIEVE ME ALVIN IM NOT HERE TO WASTE MY TIME OR YOURS. so I'm sure you can understand my confidence in this beauty

4) Now I must say this doesn't mean I would do this for every car I have.... just saying on this scud only... cause that's not how my business works when buying from us normally, just thowing it out there to Alvin or anyone else that's interested in this car if he don't jump on it. but once this bad boys gone its gone for good and someone will be smiling from ear to ear laughing all the way to the bank on how much he saved and when the next guy that paid north of 220k+ pulls up on him and this scud does exactly the same and may actually look in better condition. at that point, YOU CAN PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK THEN. don't worry about miles.. drive your Ferrari and enjoy it.. don't worry about resale you paid such a low amount you cant loose 150k on a 150k car. but you can buy a 300k scud put 50k miles on it and loose 150k really quick... do the math. I bet you can drive this car 50k miles more and still get 100k for it OR MAYBE MORE DEPENDING ON HOW THE SCUDS GO UP IN VALUE....AT THE END OF THE DAY ITS A SCUD BUDDY.. JUST NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN at some crazy cheap numbers. I say buy it, drive it, and enjoy it... don't be that guy that tells me no I don't want to take my scud out it cost me to much in depreciation. You know how many times my friends tell me that crap. lol man forget about it!!!!!!! Them words will never come out of my mouth on any Ferrari I own. I buy my cars to drive them not look at them in my garage. And I'm sure you will do the same if you bought this beauty...

also on a side note, I know you like white, but I just got a low 13k mile rosso corsa on tan 2005 f430 in as well that is a 1 owner clean Carfax car. has carbon ceramic brakes and a lot of great other options, asking 119k... maybe look into that car if you like as well as its more of a good deal when it comes to miles I guess. ill post some pics now of it for you to see...

but like everyone else said... you cant compare the two by no means. I hate to say it, you can add 20 +hp. do exhaust, lower car, even put scud wheels on a f430. but for some darn reason that shifting wont shift the same, still wont feel the same, and by no means will act the same. YOU HAVE TO TRY BOTH... FLY DOWN I HAVE BOTH HERE, I will show you exactly what were all talking about in less than 5 min of driving both cars.

thanks guys and I'm sorry for such a long letter response... but I hope all can understand where I come from with this beauty...

sincerely,
MIKE MORALES
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Global European Motorcars LLC | Pre-owned Dealer | Corona, California
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+1 Scud- the gearbox is superb but what really makes it is the ability to control the shift speed and the suspension separately. No other 430 will do that. The car is bionic if taken care of.

It can be used as a DD, the only issue being after you've tracked it, the on the road experience feels like wasting its time. It's impossible to get near the limits (where the car excels) without putting yourself and others in danger.

 

LOL...that price is welcoming you back to 2012.....stupid high in late 2016

I'll be honest.....don't own either.....but drove both multiple times......the Scud was so much more of an event to drive it was hard to believe they were from the same company.

The Scud negatives are the sound level, which was rediculously loud....and the fact that a Scud is ALWAYS on, no such thing as a leisurely cruise with the wife. Hard core driving car, not weekend fun car, which is why I went in another direction.

When you are looking at an exotic with such high miles, I would value each mile at $1.50. During my search, it seemed pretty accurate for both Ferrari and Lamborghini. So the breakover point for this versus a 20k miles car is $195k.

 

Depends on what sort of fun you like to have on the weekend.

 

Um. It's a 4600 mile car in a rare and desirable color combo. I've seen that car in person and I love it. I definitely wouldn't call it "stupid high." I guess the difference is that I had to go through the whole market on an F430 when I bought one recently and I can tell you first hand that I wouldn't touch any of those $105k F430s with a ten foot pole. There's a reason the good cars cost what they do.

 

I paid $130 for a highly optioned late 2007 Silverstone/Bordeaux car with 8500 miles. Full carbon interior options, challenge grill, challenge style wheels, leather shelf and headliner and some bespoke options and none of the bs options I don't like. I would say that $140k is a fair ask. And as you have found out already, you're not finding a well optioned low mileage car with unique colors for $115k.

I only wanted a 2006 or 2007 with the 2007 being my preference all else being equal.

 

IMO, Fuji deserves a premium....unlike the other white car which is priced stupid high for an '05....I would do this in a heartbeat after seeing a Fugi 430 at the rental place in NJ.

 

No Brainer - SCUD 100%

 

scud.
make a poll. I think it'll be 70-30 favor of scud.

 

Good luck with the PPI Alvin!!

 

good luck!

 

Good luck on the car! Sounds like you are performing your due dilegence.
I've been keeping an eye on that Scud as well, and have noticed that the asking price has dropped down to $144,888.

Hope everything works out.

 

I've owned both, I loved my F430 but the Scuderia is another planet. I am not speaking about performance because in order to really appreciate the difference you need to push hard on the throttle. The main difference you will immediately feel is the gearbox, even at slow speed ,it's faster and so much more refined than the F430 gearbox. I'am still not speaking about the Superfast gearchanges you get at full throttle. The Scuderia is SO much more reliable than the F430, most problems have been fixed and it's like 10 years ahead even if it has been released only 2 years after the F430.
The only thing you need to know, is that the scud does not forgive any back or neck problems....I had to sell mine for that reason and went to 458 spider.

 

I'm considering between the Scud and 458. I'm curious to know your ownership experience between the two.