Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

This thread is still going? I thought everyone would have realized that P1 was the champ by now.

 

while i can see the X2010/11/14 cracking 200mph within 10 seconds i don't really see the rb 001 doing it, infact, the claim seem to have been made by the journalist and not newey or anyone else behind the car

it has less power and torque than a one:1/regera, but it also has less drag and less weight

with all that being said, the article does bring some interesting viewpoints

 

WSJ , reinvented - numbers are staggering

AM-RB 001 track model could develop 4,000 lb downforce, 4 g cornering force

 

This thread has gone so many times BEYOND the comparable things , but if you can -
Quite recently one user has said that was rather disappointed with the build quality of porsche 918. The Carrera GT in his opinion was "a vastly superior car in the build quality department". (it is from a recent thread asking about laferrari n=build quality).
Another booo at 918? If it's true it's quite sad. Hopefully not for me.

 

Yep!!

To be fair to 918, build on the CGT was impeccable. Well maybe peccable here and there, but they were gorgeously built.

I have seen many 918s in person and in pictures but never hands on like CGT. All I know for sure is that CGT set a very high bar.

 

http://ag-log.o.auroraobjects.eu/10-2016/LaF_Blauw/2.jpg

 

I know you're one of the biggest 918 fans, but I'll post what I posted on mclife, in defense of the SV: Heres the thing most people keep forgetting: there are "two" 918s. One is the pre-production car--the lap timer. The other is the final production car--the current customer car. Go and check out the early 918 tests and reviews, then read each one to see the changes in between. Heck, even MT got a faster time on two separate 918s on the same track. One was a pre-productioned(but fully optimized systems. Remember when the blue 918 crashed the BDC party a few years back and set the lap record 1:30), then the last one is a fully optimized car(customer specs, during the P1 vs 918--bam! Shaved off a second).

IIRC, the record 918 couldn't get max speed, nor had perfect aero like the current crop. So I'm not surprised the SV doesn't match the current crop of 918, they're nearly different cars compared to the earlier version. Plus, as the MT test showed, the 918 weight can be close to 3800lbs (which is near the SV), and if it couldn't reach max speed, didn't have max power nor optimum aero, only RWS to its advantage, it is entirely possible for the SV to get close to the record 918. In a TopGear article, a lambo engineer stated that with RWS, the SV could shave 2secs off the Nurburgring GP track (don't know how that would translate to the ring itself, though), not to mention if they had more time on the track they could've shaved off more (provided you want to take Lambos word that VAG called it off before they could). Double plus, the 918 set the Sachsenring record at 1:30...then some time later on a record attempting day, a 1:26. So, yeah....

 

Or Lambo is just overmatched by Mclaren, Ferrari and Porsche at the moment and they throw out bogus Ring lap times in order to stay relevant. If you buy an SV expecting it to keep up with any of the HyperCars I think you'd be really disappointed.

 

Didn't understand most of the things you wrote, but you have very little informacion about all these 918 tests and the sequence of the events...

 

A little off topic but does anyone have lap times of FXX-K and if there have been any times of the P1 GTR? What are the chances they have run at the same track for comparison. I know I know drivers and conditions but still interested.

 

Chances are slim to none. Chances of getting the info if it did happen, way less.

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDJbDdV3UZo[/ame]

 

Really? Basically from what I've gathered over the years,is that the 918 that did the ring couldn't achieve max speed due to electric motors or something along those lines, and that the aero wasn't performing at their best. So it couldn't put down all of its power, didn't have the right aerodynamics the owners cars have, but it only had RWS. So if it weighted about the same as the one MT tested, only had RWS to help it get around the track, its not too hard to see how the SV could get close 2secs off.

 

This is what sparked my interest.

 

But you should factor the conditions in which it lapped.The weather was stated to be cloudy in japanese,humidity was 92% and track was looking greasy,which can be said from reflection.While F40 lapped in ideal conditions.Also consider number of laps F1 had(only 1 lap+warm up vs more than 5 laps).

As for lap time of other ferrari, 430 Scuderia in similar condition did 1:08.31.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF3tWa6BLUA
Regards

 

And now the BAC Mono beat it by a full second: The BAC Mono is faster than the McLaren P1 GTR

 

That's gotta hurt

 

Hmm...not entirely. This is more of just an argument for lightness over power when it comes to tracks. Plus, Anglesey is relatively short, so it suits it better. On a track like Spa or Cota, the GTR and FXXK would murder it, but on the Ring, the Mono would probably win if its anything like the Radical. But then again, there is that Hungaroring quote in the article...

 

Igor, generally travelling around a race track at those speeds should not hurt. The g-forces are considerably higher than in a normal car but if the driver is buckled in tight and reasonably fit, he should be pain free after a fast lap. Lactic acid build up in the muscles will only occur after repeated or lengthy endured laps. If you experience any pain on your track days I'd recommend you seek out a professional trainer who specialises in neck and arm development. Also, do not forget the importance of maintaining your core strength.


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Why? It's more or less a 1300 lb open wheel, open top race car vs a more track oriented road car. The GTR and cars like the FXXK aren't even as quick as the much cheaper and lower powered GT3 race cars.

Just about any GT3 race car will be faster than the Mono.

Mono is a cool car, but at the end of the day, comparing a Mono to a P1 GTR is like comparing an LMP class to a GT3 class.

 

Hmmmmm, not to sure about the GT3 and Mono, bit. Since its about 32sec slower around Hungaroring than the current Kimi ferrari F1 car, do we know how much slower current GT3 cars are around the same tracks they've driven on? Its about 4secs slower than a Manor MRT05 (if that means anything).

 

I would be very interested in seeing what time a P1 GTR LM could produce round the track, could perhaps beat the Mono and its road legal too

 

Well, the Radical LM has the fastest production car record on the NR with a time of 6:48 and an average speed of 181.7 kph. On the 24h layout, the 12C GT3 has the lap record with an average speed of 186 kph.

If you remove the excess distance from the 24h layout, the 12C GT3 does something like 6:29. That's nearly 20s faster than the Radical, and the 12C GT3 is obviously restricted in some ways.

Using the track you mentioned, they said the BAC is about about 9s faster than a Speciale with a 4.3km length. The 12C GT3 is about 55s faster than a Speciale on the NR which is 20.6km. If we do a non-scientific linear calculation, the Mono would be 43s faster on the NR than the Speciale.

 

Nice! Not that bad, then. especially when you consider the Monos' power.