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  1. boxerman

    boxerman F1 World Champ
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    How does this plane compare to a TBM. Seems like the SF50 is weight and range limited, with a higher fuel burn, what am I missing, is it price?
     
  2. donv

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    What is the pressure differential on the SF50? I can't seem to find that easily through google.
     
  3. jcurry

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    $2mil vs >$3mil

    Will hazard a guess and predict that SF50 easier to operate and less costly to maintain.
     
  5. VWH3RD

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    The TBM is more expensive for sure. For $2 Million dollars you could get an 850 that travels much further on the same speed. Not sure about useful load on the Cirrus but I can get 900lbs with full fuel
    I plan on 1 Gallon/Min in the 850 and see 290-300+ knots routinely

    Looking forward to see what it can do,certainly looks sexy.
     
  6. CavalloRosso

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    6.1 psi
     
  7. dmark1

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    FL 280 limitation will kill it. Destined for failure. You saw it here first.

    No need to shoulder turbine costs (and they are VERY substantial) if you can't get 410 altitude capability.
     
  8. donv

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    I agree. For FL280 and 300 knots, a Commander or MU-2 will do that much cheaper. Or even a TBM, if you insist on something newer.

     
  9. Tcar

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    2 of may favorites. Commander and MU-2.

    Bob certainly liked his Shrike.
     
  10. sigar

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    Isn't a new TBM considerably more $?
     
  11. Hannibal308

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    300 True? I'm yawning...

    Mr 500 hour real estate dude as first owner? I'll be sure to avoid flying around his home drome for the next, um, 20 years...

    (At least his airplane will have a parachute)
     
  12. donv

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    A new one might be. There are plenty of used airplanes on the market.

    But, to compare apples to apples, yes, I think a new TBM probably is more expensive.

     
  13. joker57676

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    Don't worry, his insurer is very unlikely to allow him to fly solo for quite some time.



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  14. jcurry

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    Don't TBM's have some onerous time limits or maintenance requirements on certain components. Something to consider when looking at the used prices.
     
  15. tazandjan

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    Big windows may be an issue for the pressurization system, but I am wondering if they saw fatigue life as an issue, ala DH Comet. About the only turbofans that operated at altitudes that low were the F-111s, and that was a wing loading issue. Had to be supersonic to get much above FL 300.
     
  16. jcurry

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    Fuselage is composite (carbon vs glass on the pistons), and should have considerably better fatigue performance than a metal (Al) structure. The FAA would require a fatigue test program, which they'll (Cirrus) likely run well beyond the current (certified) 12000 hr airframe limit.
     
  17. VWH3RD

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    No, The TBM fleet doesn't have any quirky issues with TBO times.
     
  18. jcurry

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    Was thinking of the 700's which have a severe inspection program (AD) on the landing gear, albeit there is a terminating action available.
     
  19. donv

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    Well, it was certainly an interesting design choice to have such a low pressure differential. It must have been driven by cost.

    I think that's really going to hurt their sales.
     
  20. joker57676

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    I don't think it will. My understanding is that the target demographic is SR22 owners with more money to burn. It'll never be a business jet. It's a personal plane. I don't think those buying it, or who would consider it, will be stimied by its limitation since it is such a step forward from a piston single. I don't see the SF50 really competing with serious turbo props or light jets. I see it more competing with Lancair Evolutions.




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  21. jcurry

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    Same as TBM. 8000 ft cabin at altitude is pretty standard, regardless of what altitude you are at.
     
  22. dmark1

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    Excellent point, you may be correct. By the way where is Jason1rst to crash this thread and tell us all the PC12 is the best airplane in the world and all us 40 year pilots are just grandfather worshiping idiots? ;)
     
  23. joker57676

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    To be fair, I'm only a 15 year pilot who barely gets up in the air anymore. :)



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  24. sigar

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    I've said it before here and I'll say it again, the SF50 will be a huge success. You must analyze it in terms of value. Sure there are more capable aircraft (TBM, Mustang, Pilatus, G-V, etc), but you can't buy a brand spanking new one of them for anywhere near the $1.5M the SF50 costs.
     
  25. joker57676

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    Can't by an SF50 for $1.5 million either. :)

    Unless you reserved your spot years ago, the price is $1.96 million. He point is well taken, though.



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