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So I'm making my own valved exhaust for the 348

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  1. Davsk1

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    #1 Davsk1, Nov 21, 2016
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    I've been beavering away at this exhaust for a while. Struck it up for the first time yesterday and am so far pleased with the sound! I've only tested no load revving up to about 3 or 4krpm though.

    Next phase is to build two bypass pipes with extra silencers that will come into use with the valve closed. I'll update as I produce those parts as it'll be easier than explaining the way I plan to make this work.

    Please ignore my terrible welding I'm not a professional :) it will all be hidden in heat wrap eventually anyway!

    My aim for this exhaust is to have the valve open for the majority of the time and only use the more silenced bypass route for when it really needs to be quieter. Valve is on a remote controlled on/off using an EP valve and engine vacuum.
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  2. Robbe

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    Great to see you are having a go at it, keep us informed!
    The DIY capabilities of people over here are limitless...
     
  3. Jh348

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    #3 Jh348, Nov 23, 2016
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    Im building valves on my exhaust too, but im going to use 2x electric valves and switch. Somehow i need to get them fit over there still retaining all the factory heatshieldings
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  4. Davsk1

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    Yes I wanted to keep the original heat shielding but just couldn't get it all in :/ so I'm going with exhaust heat wrap. Are you going to run the bypass into a cross pipe or keep them separate?
     
  5. Jh348

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    I dont know yet, i would want to make bypass x-pipe but its really tight around there. Challenge type merging may come to consideration also
     
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    Your not a surgeon, right? ;)


    Looks good so far. Post a sound clip as you go.
     
  7. Davsk1

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    Electrical Engineer, this is what happens when we're let loose with a welder!
     
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    #8 Davsk1, Nov 23, 2016
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    Like this? I'd expect this to be almost as loud as open manifolds! It does have a cross connecting balance pipe, although so close to the end not sure it would do anything.
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  9. Jh348

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    Yes, it will be loud. I have purchased the valves, but anything else is still under thought as i need to adress transaxle issues first
     
  10. Davsk1

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    Just as food for thought I ran mine with separate open pipes straight out of the original cats just as an experiment, it was loud but didn't sound nice. I figure to get the best sound it needs some form of cross pipe or H section.

    Look at the RareFab design with the associated videos, although that exhaust is totally straight without silencing so is a little bit harsh.
     
  11. SoCal1

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    Very cool guys
     
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    You could have gone at it with a soldering iron. :)
     
  13. Meister

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    While this is a current thread... what is the diameter of the pipe you are working with and what is the OEM diameter? I have an exhaust project on my lit for this winter and bought a bunch of 2" pipe along with 2" in/out flowmater muffler. Peaking under the car tonight, I think that might be too big...is it 1-1/2" Thanks
     
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    I have a bunch of 2.5 pipe I was going to use up
     
  15. bikz

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    guys i have been meaning to get a local exhaust shop to build one something similar to the top, or perhaps a basic straight pipe config.....

    just one question which i still can't get a definite answer to .......:

    1) will it reduce back flow pressure?
    2)if yes can it cause the valves to burn?

    this has been a concern to me and hopefully the pros/gurus here can shed some definite answer on this.......some say yes, some say no in other threads.....thank you
     
  16. Davsk1

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    The oem pipe pre and post cat is 2.25" so that is what I have used.

    I've then gone to 3" for the merge pipe which results in a very small reduction in overall cross section area, then back out to 2 x 2.25".
     
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    Yes it will reduce back pressure, mainly due to removal of the cats. Whether it will burn valves is like asking if a cambelt will snap, there won't be a definitive answer.

    In the manual there are different specs for catalyst and non catalyst vehicles for valve clearance and valve timing. I'll be checking these to the non cat specs during the engine out soon.

    I guess if you were really concerned you could have individual cylinder lambda checked on the dyno to check for a dangerously lean conditions.
     
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    Less backpressure=less heat. Typically n/a engine when running correctly dont produce levels of egt that could burn exhaust valve. Valve could burn if it cant transfer heat through valve seat, due carbon between or what ever reason would be that throws valve seating off
     
  19. Delta_Lima

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    I was thinking about the same; installing an exhaust valve.
    But not sure what the design should look like on this moment...
     
  20. Yassa

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    Great work :)
     
  21. ernie

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    Interesting project.

    Any before and after dyno tests?
     
  22. Davsk1

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    No dyno tests, I'd expect some benefits from ditching the cats but beyond that I'm not really concerned about power gains on this car, will just see if it feels any different and maybe do a dyno run in the future just for the hell of it :)
     
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    A dyno test is not just about showing any possible power gains, it's also about showing how the engine's characteristics have been changed, and to show whether you've improved the car, or made it worse.

    Your new exhaust might work superbly, but there again, it might create a massive flat spot that needs tuning out to make the car more drivable.

    As for arse-dyno's: They're notorious for being the most unreliable in the World!
     
  24. Davsk1

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    Agreed, however the car had an Ansa sport exhaust fitted when I got it so there is no real baseline for a standard setup anyway.

    One thing I'd be interested in trying is with the valve open and closed, it should generate more torque at the lower end with the valve closed in the same way as the yamaha ex-up system.

    My plan is to link the exhaust valve to the central intake valve so they both open at the same time at the top end. Then have an override to open just the exhaust valve on the remote for the loud setting at all engine loads. Really I'd expect it to lose a bit of bottom end on the loud setting.

    It'll still be a few weeks before its all finished due to limited time, but will just have to see how it turns out.
     
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    Actually the intake compensation valve ( center intake ) on the f119 opens in the midrange from 3500-5500 rpm.
     

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