458 Electrical System Failure

Needed a new shocker. US official dealer parts department quoted me $3,600 for the part. Ordered the same part through eBay from a Ferrari dealer in Germany for $1,600. I ordered the part directly on my phone as I was still at the US dealer and used their service department as shipping address. Took me 2 min and the part arrived 2 days later (faster than from dealer btw) and even the technician said it was a smart thing to do.

I see brand new AFS headlights for around $3,000 a piece with 30 day return and full warranty. In Europe, offered for 2.600 EUR.

Just sayin'..

 

+1

 

BEWARE !

Light parts in EU are very different from USA parts ... otherwise it can still cost you money !

 

Yep, around 1.9K usd from Eurospares, from whom I source all my parts

Ferrari 458 Italia - Front and Rear Lights: Page 076 | Order Online Eurospares

xoxoxo

 

Which model battery are you using from Braille there?

Also, did you go with their battery tender or buy your own some place else?

Ray

 

Hi Ray,

Here is the model I am using and the shop I bought it from which sells them
at a better price than Braille.

https://www.braillebattery.com/index.php/braille/product_batteries/i48cx
Advanced Battery Systems - Home

I have the battery on a CTEK Li-Ion charger and had to buy the adapter
to plug it in the car, it is available on Ebay, search my or MuratC's thread
on the Braille Battery for a link to it on Ebay.

Fwiw I love the battery, imo one of the best mods I have done.

best

 

Awesome, thanks for the info!

I'm looking at using the same battery. Also going to see about wiring in the kill switch from the 355/360 so it's easier to shut things off and reset, etc.

Ray

 

Great! You'll love the Braille unit: flawless startups even after months idle, lasts longer,
looks good, saves lots of weight and CTEK charger is way better than the stock unit

 

My understanding from Gary at Braille is that you shouldn't use the stock charger with the Lithium Ion battery, since the stock charger uses a pulse type charge method that is mainly designed for lead batteries (as far as I remember from my conversation with him).

I'm going to do some more research into all of is and see what I come up with. So far, however, the battery you have in your car is also the one I have my eye on.

As far as standby time, do you leave the car sitting for over a month (without disconnecting the battery) and then have no problem starting?

With my PC925 battery, I get slow crank (and sometimes a momentary failure, which causes a reset) after sitting for only a week or so

Ray

 

Correct, I am using a CTEK Li-Ion charger not the stock one, I think I actually posted a pic of it
earlier in this thread, but like I said make sure to buy the aforementioned adapter to attach the
charger to the car's inboard socket.

Fwiw I left the car on the CTEK LI-I charger for the whole summer (3 1/2 months) and it
started immediately, not even any hesitation. I used to get plenty of slow cranks and
momentary failures causing electrical error codes with the stock battery and charger.

Best

 

Thank you for the info

Do you happen to know, if you leave the car sitting without the use of the charger, how long will the just the reserve capacity of the Braille battery last (and still start the car)?

Ray

 

Good question; never tried that but am curious and will experiment in the
future, very best

 

Reviving an old thread here. I’m getting the same electrical error at startup but can’t pull a diagnostic code with my scanner.

anyone else had this issue?

 

First check is usually battery status - how old is it / what is it / when was car last driven / trickle charger ?

 

I've owned the car 18 months, not sure how old the battery is.

It is an interstate MTP 48/H6.

Car is generally driven regularly (every week) but over the past few months only about once or twice a month. I almost always use a CTEK 7002 charger but for a few weeks I was without it and used the OEM charger.

Below are the voltage readings from ignition on vs engine on.

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Lot's of people talking about the merits of Lithium Battery's on chat. Well not being overly neg here, but within our neighborhood 2 houses have burned 1 to the ground the other garage & approx 1/3 of the house. Both new Golf Carts equipped with lith. battery's. They were both on chargers at the time. The total house made the fatal mistake of trying to put the fire out by spraying the cart with water. The 1 that just happened approx. a week ago occurred with a new 4 passenger cart parked in the garage. I'm sticking with my trusted Interstate.

 

Those are Lithium Polymer batteries, not lithium Ion batteries. There is a big difference in battery chemistry and danger. LiPo batteries are used in applications where very high power is needed for the weight. Teslas use this type of battery and so do souped up golf carts and other high power cars like the Fiskers, Rivian etc.

This battery type is VERY dangerous because it packs enormous power density (more than gasoline) and the chemistry is accordingly less stable (the faster the battery is capable of discharging and the more current it can provide, the less stable the chemistry). These batteries require extremely accurate computerized charging. They can become thermally unstable and are subject to thermal runaway, followed by fire and explosive energy discharge. The compound burns violently if exposed to oxygen (puncture). The fires burn like a magnesium fire and cannot be put out. This is why Tesla fires are so dangerous and deadly to occupants of the vehicle when they occur. You can google "Lipo fires" to see what happens. There have been recent fires involving city buses in Paris where you can see the roof of the bus exploding in a shower of sparks, with occupants barely able to escape safely. Paris has now removed it's entire electric bus fleet.

Lithium Ion (LI-Ion), by contrast, is a long tested chemistry and it is in nearly every personal device. It is also the battery of choice in hybrids such as the Prius and so on. Unlike LiPo, these batteries are very safe. The PB car battery replacements are Li-Ion. In the unlikely event any company is marketing a LiPo battery as a PB replacement, stay the hell away.

 

Thanks for the clarification on Lithium battery's as I never knew there was a polymer vs ion . I did notice that another neighbor always parks his Tesla outdoors (including charging). Interesting! Thank you.

 

How are you doing Carlo ? Still have the nice 458C seats ?

Gr
Mel in NL

 

I had a Braille Lithium Ion battery in my 360. I even bought the specific charger that Braille recommended for these batteries. While driving down the freeway, it exploded. Huge fireball. I will never buy a Lithium Ion battery again.

 

Wow, frightning ! Hope you and the car are not hurt.
I wonder what Jason can tell us ....

 

Yikes! I sure won't be buying one of those.

 

What legal action are you taking?