Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Well then pay attention to the graph I posted, because that comes from an owner.

 

I see why they called the forum mclarenlife. You either get that or a real one

 

I think the title of this thread should be amended to include the real track day champion, Viper ACR.

 

lol apparently you can't have both

 

I'm sure he didn't really care much at all. Only fanboys on the internet get upset when "their car" loses.

 

Ha, says the guy who's spent several pages arguing that the 918 was wearing Corsas, even though they're not even listed for the 918 on tirerack.

Got to give it to Chris Harris though. When he runs a test, he lays it all bare, no one has any questions regarding how the laps were ran, or what tyres were used afterwards.

 

Liven you can LMFAO all you want, but the 918 video you are referring to is not a hot lap run. It's clearly a promotional video by Porsche with the drivers passing each other back and forth to get photo shots. You are pathetic, much of the material(You Tube Videos) you reference really isn't set up to support your case and you make so many unsubstantiated assumptions that it invalidates your own claims. You are getting desperate.

 

So why didn't they take the opportunity for a hot lap run, pretty much everyone knew about Jason Hart's laps, which were 2up on worn tyres?

 

On tyres. From comments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfgDNo6jw8s

Questa è Benzinah3 months ago
Nice and clean driving Mr West! What do you think about the so called "Holy trinity"? Did you ever test the other two? 

Alexander West3 months ago
I have them,
all very different and very good cars

Richard Hannington3 months ago
Great video again!

What tyres were you running? Also, do you use the IPAS mode when on track?

Alexander West3 months ago
Just Corsas, I dont normally take road cars on the track, and i find the TrofeoR's too compromised on the road. would in general prefer to have Michelin Cup2 tyres...

So now you can't complain about people ignoring the opinion of owners Whoopsy.

 

I never argued that pointless drivel with you, yet another phrase you don't understand the meaning of clearly. And Whoopsy does it for entertainment purposes I suppose. I personally don't find it that entertaining to have your pointless posts fill up this thread with conclusions bore out of twisting facts or selectively interpreting them. You respond to literally every post on this thread with absolute and utter bull ****. I guess some around here find it amusing. I don't. Do you really think owners of cars or actual enthusiasts care about a second here or there on a few tracks? You're delusional. Do you think, as a 458 owner I give two ****s that a 650s would beat my car in a drag race? I don't. Only people whose experience with these cars doesn't go past the internet/Xbox care about such things.

So you're either a teenager living in England with way too much time on his hands who gets a kick out of frantically searching the internet for posts that support the results he got on a Forza video game, or you really do work for Mclaren. Either way, give it up. There isn't one person on this thread that's agreed with your posts (and there are some pretty smart people here) aside from a P1 owner and even he's quite reluctant to fuel your fire. Doesn't that tell you something?

 

Only if you call data BS.

Actually, you know what, I kind of do, because these cars bring out the child in people, which is what they're supposed to do.

Correctness is not a democracy.

 

Oh yeah, someone was saying earlier (probably Whoopsy or Westview) that the P1 couldn't be made to fit wider tyres because it's based on the 650S, blah, blah, blah etc.

Well wrong, it can.

Be afraid: it?s the McLaren P1 GTR | Top Gear

P1 LM - 285s up front.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/06/goodwood-hosts-new-street-legal-mclaren.html
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BUVncqtFZRI/V20gh8SW1EI/AAAAAAAAbYU/EW2UnUyt504KNgUSxF899Z3JXoOnsRozwCLcB/s1600/McLaren-P1-2.jpg

 

Hmm, didn't YOU questioned Chris Harris' tire test between Cup2 and Trofeo R?

Right, you just shot yourself in the foot. Again. For the millionth time. Keep digging, you will come out the other side of the Earth real soon.

 

It is great entertainment, helping Mycroft shot himself repeatedly is more fun than watching my city's hockey team games, but one thing in common, they keep losing no matter how hard they tried.

 

Hmm, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the GTR came out over 2 years ago? All because McLaren saw the initial test results of the P1 keep losing head to head on tracks?

And with the wider tires in the P1GTR, it also caused you to shoot yourself in the foot, AGAIN. You were the one bringing out everything and the kitchen sink to prove that the P1 HAD the CORRECT sized tires, anything wider will not help as you said something about contact patch and weight. Hmm, guess your employer disagreed with you.

What took you 2 years to post about it?

Go ask your boss how much work they did in order to fit the wider tires.

It is so easy to cause you to eat your own words repeatedly, it's not even a challenge anymore. Come on, put some effort into it, at least try and make me use my brain.

 

Mycroft/Lieven, a question for you, that I'd like you to answer honestly if you can. Do you believe that if the P1 was either hypothetically or actually found to be 'not the fastest' around the track, would that render it worse than other cars that might beat it?

 

Canucks, right? Thank God I'm a pens fan.

 

Are you sure about that?

Exoticcardreamer is like Whoopsy and other owners, balanced, open, happy to discuss the good and bad points of their cars and really great for discussing their cars with us plebs. When they talk I listen because they have direct experience.

 

about the AMG GT R,
watching the picture, the front tyre seems have a monstre camber.
surely it's a super press car with track setup, it's the only way to explain the incredibly lateral G witout big wings...

 

Not what tyres they had on no. I simply pointed out that they were ran on different days and at a different time and the Trofeos had been inflated by Pirelli themselves. And the fact that bespoke Cup 2s are different, as an AMG GTR recently proved.

 

So...
Me: Reason X, Y and Z are the reasons they didn't go faster at Spa and Suzuka.
You: The 675LT set a lap record at Fuji and K-egg used their factory driver, so reasons X, Y and Z are irrelevant. Even though those reasons have nothing to do with what I just said.

Do you even bother reading your posts and consider how they relate to the topic at hand or do you just write "stuff" and hope for the best?

Anyway.. None of what we've said previously has anything to do with the lap record at Fuji, mainly because we are talking about one (or two) tracks that are NOT Fuji Speedway and a car that has never been there. Claiming that one car is slow on one track because another car is fast on another track is an argument beyond reason.

The fact that he is driving a non-stock car with less power and old tires that isn't even set up for the track properly (active aero and active suspension for example) is not relevant to how fast the lap is?
The fact that the driver had never driven at Spa nor Suzuka before is no excuse because he's a factory driver?

He has raced in some Swedish Miata series for a couple of years prior to working for Koeniggsegg, that's it. Pretty sure there are quite a lot of drivers who would run circles around him, especially at tracks that he's never seen in real life before.

If you are going to keep this up you might want to construct an argument that is at least worth reading.

Sorry for going OT.

 

No, I said the P1's Achilles heel was that the tyres were too narrow and that it would greatly benefit from wider tyres. You, or someone else said they couldn't possibly be fitted to a P1-based design.

 

Yeah, I've linked the video several times. Lap was also 2up on partly worn tyres.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idV6zMiWUIU&t=20s

 

Well Sport Auto do check camber, so it will come out in the magazine release if it did. Sport Auto did mention that the GTR comes with two different Cup 2 options, with the one they used being a bespoke set with significantly better grip.

 

Your excuses for Spa were nothing short of pathetic. It was a factory driver, which is seen by many as the best possible scenario for a fast time. The counter was that a customer can go out and take a crap on the lap record at Fuji in a 675LT 2up, which is hardly the ideal scenario. And even customer have beaten that Spa time on Corsas in P1s.

What was he doing in a non-stock car? You'd think Koenigsegg could give their test car the same hp.