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  1. F1tommy

    F1tommy F1 World Champ
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    They would have to get a waiver for the engine size like the Viper did... Maybe that's what they will do??
     
  2. 444sp

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    Are you talking about something similar to the F150 laboratorio?
     
  3. tomgt

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    Not exactly
    488 GT2 Evo engine maybe even lower and towards fire wall.
    Porsche's prototype 911 is allowed and Fords GT so why not a redesigned/heavily modified 488...
     
  4. 444sp

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    Thanks for your answer.
    I like GTE to be more extreme than GT3, I readed in an interview with Jens Marquardt that the power of the engines up 100 HP in the way to 600 HP in 2018 and for me a reduction of the weight would also be good.
     
  5. chrixxx

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    #30 chrixxx, Dec 19, 2016
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    No it will not happen but just let the 488 do what the car is able to do. Dont forget that development of a new prototype would take ressources, money and at least 1 year of testing, testing, testing and at the end getting slowered down by the BoP? For sure development is ongoing with the current car and we haven't seen the potential of the 488 GTE yet.

    Also the amount of updates/modifications are limited by the ACO Kingdom...
     
  6. 444sp

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    Of course BOP is very important in GTE but I also think it is important to build the right car.
    So Ford built a new extreme prototype and did not choose to develop a Mustang, and Porsche decided to make a 911 with mid-engine and some rumors indicate more extreme cars for Aston Martin and BMW in 2018.
    So BOP is important but also an adequate car is necessary.
     
  7. NürScud

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    I'll use a comment that i saw in an Endurance forum and i really liked it.

    ''GT3 is the new GT2, GT4 is the new GT3, GTE is the new GT1. You knew this was going to happen with the new regs and the Ford GT. Enjoy it, it'll collapse in a few years like usual and they'll do a reset''.
     
  8. bobzdar

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    And take over Blancpain again because they seem to keep getting it right?
     
  9. william

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    +1
     
  10. WILLIAM H

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    Ferrari hasnt seriously raced a Prototype since Ford finished kicking their but at LeMans in 1969

    Today it's Porsche, Peugeot, Toyota.
     
  11. BartonWorkman

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    Ferrari kept racing prototypes well past the time they were beaten at Le Mans by
    the Ford GT 40s.

    The 312PB won all 11 races Ferrari entered in 1972 World Sports Car Championship
    for example but Le Mans was not part of the World Championship that year. The fantastic
    312PBs won at Sebring with Andretti and Ickx after Redman and Regazzoni's 312PB burned
    to the ground at the Chicane while leading late in the race and the 312PBs were unbeatable
    the rest of the season.

    Ferrari returned during the IMSA WSC era with the 333SPs which won overall at Daytona
    and Sebring. Ferrari did not enter 333SPs as a factory team but several major independents
    took part at Le Mans with decent results. Ferrari's involvement in the WSC gave the series
    some much needed credibility with entrants such as Andy Evans' Scandia Racing and
    Gianpierro Moretti's MOMO Course and Euromotorsport teams.

    Peugeot pulled out of prototype racing at the end of the 2011 season after citing the company
    took enormous financial losses on the domestic front and decided not to return in 2012 even
    though they had already started testing their 2012 car.

    Audi have pulled out after 18 years leaving things to be decided between Porsche and
    Toyota in 2017.

    AF Corse will be back in 2017 with an updated 488 GTE. There has been mention of another
    team coming in to join the GTE Pro category but so far no official announcements have been
    made in either case.

    BHW
     
  12. DeSoto

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    Porsche, Peugeot, Toyotat? When was the last time you watched an Endurance race? 1993?
     
  13. DeSoto

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    ACO has lost the plot and if they don´t get it right soon GTE class will collapse in a few years. BOP was made precisely to avoid prototypes, so what´s the point of it now? Enforce a reasonable BOP or allow prototypes, but now they have both at the same time so manufacturers are spending lots of cash building faster prototypes just to be arbitrarily slowed down later.
     
  14. WILLIAM H

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    Yes the 312PB was an exception

    Not racing the 333 at LeMans was a wimpy loser move.
     
  15. DeSoto

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    The 333 did race at Le Mans. Not very succesfully, but it had a class win in 1998, IIRC. Not a bad result for a private team with a 4 years old car.

    P.S: you should do your homework and check your facts.
     
  16. 333 at Le Mans -
    1995 - DNF 47th
    1996 - DNF 30th & 48th
    1997 - 6th & DNF 45th
    1998 - 8th & 14th (and yes, 8th was the class win)
    1999 - DNF 41st
     
  17. 444sp

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    Mr. lorenzobandini, I see that you know a lot about the 333sp.
    I'm looking for some information about the aerodynamic kit (longtail) used in Le Mans 1998 and 1999 for the Giesse Team in the 333sp. I could observe that the best times of the 333sp in Le Mans were with this Longtail Kit, 3:38:468 in 1999. I would appreciate your information about this special kit.
    The car win the LMP1 class in 1998 was the Doyle Risi and did not use this kit.
     
  18. 444sp

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    Is there a 2017 upgrade package for the 488 GTE or is it the same car of last year?
    Is this 2017 upgrade package available in Rolex 24 for Risi?
     
  19. tomgt

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    Daytona 24 qualifying: Ford 1-2-3 in the GTLM class
     
  20. And what should one expect for a non-homologated prototy....errr....GT car...that hasn't even hit the streets...that's given a "fair" BoP...? :confused:

    I've been a Ford fan since it tackled Le Mans (all those moons ago) and I don't even blame Ford. But it just ain't right. :mad:

    Real racin's goin' to hell in a handbasket. :(



    "Those were the days my friends. We thought they'd never end..."

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  21. tomgt

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    Amazing, on Daytona banking the sheer speed of the Ford.
    Porsche and Ferrari could never beat that.
     
  22. singletrack

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    Really? The 488 led a number of laps. Muller had to take the mirror off the 488 to pass for the lead, then work his ass off to hold it.

    IMHO, had Fisichella been the last in the car, Ferrari would have won. They also got blocked on pit lane on their last stop which dropped them from 1st to 5th, but Fisichella devoured the competition and got them back to the front.

    It was a great race, but the 488 and GT appeared to be properly balanced this time. It came down to racing, and the last 20 minutes was bonkers. The GT only pulled away because the Ferrari and Porsche began to fight for 2nd.
     
  23. joe1973

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    Did you see the images of the Ford GT bodywork off in the garage? That's not a GT car - belongs to NASCAR or other racing and not GT racing. Homolegation (sp?) rules should apply and if I'm wrong I must be blind to the presence of such a steeet car anywhere close to that design. Nobody would buy that for the street much like the Atom car. Track only.
    I'm sour grapes with the finish for Porsche and Ferrari, my beloved marques.
     
  24. GuyIncognito

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    I'm guessing you've never seen how a NASCAR car is made? ;)
     
  25. ARTNNYC

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    In my opinion the Ford was sandbagging at the end of the race and then easily pulled away when he needed to
     

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