FERRARI VS TURBO

From about the days of the 365 GTB through the 360, Ferraris were not faster than everything on the road. During most of those years a Vette could beat them in a drag race.

 

I don't know, but think they didn't beat any 288 GTO nor any F40 in a drag race (both turbocharged cars).

But no Ferrari has ever been built for drag races: they were (and still are) built for street use and to do a good lap time on an handling track if requested by the owner.


ciao

 

yes, I know your car: great, I'm sure it's excellent, but that's an "home made" one.

I was talking about contemporary and factory official turbocharged cars (Huayra, MP4, 911 turbo, 488, AMG GT, Nissan GTR), stock (means not modded in any way).

488 has an incredible fast response power output. MP4 not much less. AMG GT even more faster response, but less power. I was told by mr Pagani himself that the Huayra has a "zero lag" engine, as he asked for that to Mercades without asking 1000 HP or something like that.

ciao

PS
I didn't put in the list the Bugatti Veyron and Chiron simply because they are another world hypercars. But the 1500 Hp (street legal with a road use warranty) of the Chiron are impossible to have by any NA engine. So turbocharged engine are not so bad: I never drove a quad-turbocharged Bugatti V16 8 liters, but I bet they work well..

 

Would disagree on the Corvette reference since I had several from the late 60s to 2000.

Leaving the '69 out of it, and remembering the Corvettes were always heavier than Ferraris, here are some sample Corvette hp figures from cars I owned:

Late '70s - 180 hp
Mid 80s - 250 hp
Mid 90s - 300 hp
2000 - 345 hp

Don't think Corvette is winning any of those over 308s, 328s, 348s, 355s, or 360

Of course the V-12 Lamborginis would bludgeon the regular production Ferraris of that same era, but thats a whole other topic.

 

Maybe, probably comes from difficulty to launch the Ferrari by most in comparison to being able to launch a vette practically off idle.

I would still go toe to toe with a 95 vette against my 355 in a drag race.

 

This is what I meant, when I said Ferrari is leaving something on the table for the 488 VS. Ferrari will not increase power bu adding a lot of boost. They will most likely change the cam specs a bit, and then adjust timing and the fuel map, thus increasing usable power. When I say that the engine will get peaky if they increase the power, it basically just means that they, can't increase the power "too much". My guess is that the 488 will be a 730-740 hp car,and I bet Ferrari will most likely only increase boost from 28 to maybe 30 psi. When I had my test drive in the 488, I was truly surprised at how little it felt like a turbo car, and how much it felt like a monsterous N/A car. It's an astonishing achievement to create a high power turbo car that performs on that level.

As for your question. I don't know. I hope so. When people talk about the 458 being the last N/A mid engine serial production Ferrari, I always think, "Please let be borrow your crystal ball" because I think Ferrari could very well do away with the forced induction at some point and do a hybrid setup instead. I'm not going to jump the band wagon of those who say the 458 is a collectible because it's the last N/A mid engine V8. Sure it must be a warm and fuzzy feeling if one can make oneself believe that one owns a future unicorn, but at the same time I don't think it's a realistic future prospect. There's simply too much technology out there in development for anyone to say that with any kind of certainty.

 

Hi AB, I understand and agree.

I was telling myself today that the 430 6spd is worth some of it's markup, but I haven't quite figured out exactly how much more to me personally. The styling is what sets the F458 apart and the F488 is a brute. You can take that many ways and that's exactly how I feel, it's not pretty but on the field it sure moves.

 

Friends, the future of all cars is full electric. Although I do enjoy reading about which engine is basically manlier than the other, its the silent electrics that will rule the hyper-performance spectrum. I am not happy about this but when four-motor electrics become commonplace in exotics there will be no gadgets you can hang onto an ICE (turbo, supercharger, camless controllers, etc) that will save them. For the record, high volume, high revving NA-only Ferrari V12s are the most satisfying performance engines made - in my opinion of course.

 

Remember watching a GT race live or on TV. 458 closes under braking and cornering. Competition walks away coming off the corner. No longer with the 488's turbo torque.

 

I am certain Ferrari went to turbos on the V8s to satisfy various regulations so that is fine and there are some great turbo cars available just about all cars now days. I love my turboS 911 and my RS7 audis they are both great cars and pretty fast but not ferraris . I prefer the NA for ferraris and when I run one of my NA ferraris they have a completely different feel and attitude then the turbo cars I have .. don't know the right words but NA is my preference ..simple as that.For Porsche guys listen to a GT3RS versus a turbo S the turbo has much more power but the gtrs sound and feels like it has more.

 

On the Lusso you get a choice between v8 turbo and NA v12.

They should offer the same choice for the 488 (or followup model) and see what happens. Since the v12 is very expensive they would make $$$, too.

 

A mid engine V12 would be a killer addition .. but not likely to happen and dam if I know why

 

Strange since Lamborghinis do so well with them....as a Diablo Roadster owner, NOTHING compares to the experience of no top and a raging V12 just behind your head.

 

The definition of a mid-engine car is (From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-engine_design):

"A mid-engine layout describes the placement of an automobile engine between the rear and front axles."


If you knew your Ferrari's better then you'd know that they already produce a mid engine V12: The F12!

 

Yes, Ferrari says the F12 is a "mid-front" layout. Whereas the 488 is a "mid-rear" layout.