Passion vs Posers

Don't retract under peer pressure. Stand your ground. War of words only the brave survives. Buddy you are correct there's only two types; passion and posers. The other two don't apply.

I know a number of people who invest in stocks; companies, goods and services. Most don't care about the company. Some don't buy the goods and many don't utilize the services but they own these stocks for the purpose of making money. It is an investment. Similarly, some people buy Ferraris among other makes and sell them for a profit. These are investors. They don't fit into ownership category of passion or posers. Anyone can be passionate about Ferraris and an investor. Anyone can also be a poser and an investor. And for the sake of argument, anyone can be a passionate poser. But investors don't fit into ownership category because the object is money not the car.

Curiosity is human nature. We wonder what's inside the box, we open it. We wonder what it like to be under water, we dip our head into it. These are samples of the readily access, inexpensive way to satisfy our curiosity. But no one goes to purchase a Ferrari out of curiosity. Let assume that is the case, after a day, maybe a month of ownership, curiosity no longer applies. Either One becomes a poser because of the attention One gets or One becomes passionate because of the performance or its beauty. Needless to say One can be curiously passionate or a curious poser. Curiosity however, is not ownership.

In conclusion, lengthy ownership of a car in this pedigree can only be passion or posers. You know who you are LoL

 

FourRePhill, you and I will always be on the opposite side of the pond and probably disagree on just about anything floating in between. But as long as we agree that I am right, we can be always be friend we haven't met.

 

Im not sure what the exotic scene is like in everyones area but I can say with conviction that the bulk of the Ferrari owners that attend are knowledgeable and purchase their specific Ferrari for a precise reason. The Lambo owners all seem to know nothing about their cars and don't own any other vehicles other than a lifted diesel truck.

 

The Gallardo forum is that way --->

 

It's really not this simple. There are people who love the brand but can't really afford to drive the car like Enzo intended them to, either because of costs or because of lack of appropriate space. I own a 458 and a 348 but I have never tracked them. Cars are ridiculously expensive in Singapore (on average about 3-4 times the price in US) and a lot of us cannot afford to damage or wreck the car on the track. Insurance does not cover any form of damage incurred whilst tracking the car.

On the other hand, there are Ferrari fans here who obviously know a lot about the cars and are fanatical about them. But they also participate in these convoy drives around the island in large groups of 10-20 cars and congregate at some public carpark, ostensibly to admire and exchange knowledge/information about each other's cars. Usually with gawkers in tow. So, are they passionate Ferrari owners or posers? Or they are just passionate Ferrari owners who are proud of their cars??

 

I'm just a fan of well engineered products in general and that has overlapped with my life long love of cars. Who else makes a flat-plane 3.5L V8 with 5 valves per cylinder and a redline of nearly 9000rpm?

I don't do car shows or car meets either usually but I do like to attend them as a spectator. I take it to the track when possible to have some fun. I don't like the attention Ferrari's get but that is what it is. To me they're just fun cars.

Do what makes you happy. Stop judging others on how they choose to live their lives when it has no impact on yours.

 

I am neither passionate nor poser, just a mechanic.

 

even I adore my red 96' F355 GTB, love DIY on it, the design, the technology of most their cars.... i must admit I have zero passion for the company Ferrari itself...

Am I sick?

 

I have the passion, lots of it since a young kid with posters on my wall but I have yet to make the jump. You definitely can have the passion with out the finances. I am a car guy and always will be and one day there will be a Prancing Horse in my garage. Even if it cost as much as my house.

 

A friend of mine are both among the older people here, and we either have or have had just about every brand of sports car available, (no Lambos). We agree that the best, most knowledgeable, interested, and interesting owners are Porsche and F-car, with a nod to the Ferrari clubs.

I owned and E-Type Jag a while ago. I enjoyed the car for a few years, but only attended club meetings twice. Picture this: Everyone attended wearing rented jewelry. It wasn't literally that bad, but - - -

 

You're my kind of guy, Scott. I hope you wind up with the car of your dreams sooner, rather than later.

 

I've always been passionate about cars, not always been into Ferrari but gradually began to see them as the pinnacle of automotive enjoyment.

Once I realised the goal of owning a 348 was achievable I became more interested in them and as a friend asked me one evening if I had any bucket list items, my reply was simply to own a Ferrari. At that point I realised I had to make it happen and it gradually became an obsession!

I love looking at it, working on it and driving it, enjoy the attention it brings. I also bought with an eye on future values as I've always done with previous cars.

So I guess my point is that you can fit into all categories in varying degrees.

 

That's the definition of a passionate owner IMO.

 

The company's practices makes me sick personally. I have zero loyalty to the brand but I appreciate some (most) of their products.

I was cross shopping the 993 Turbo with the 355. Both great cars but the 355 was much more exciting.

 

Timing belt breaks.

My definition of Passion: "Oh man.. well.. I love her and she's worth it. Can't wait until she's on the road again. 3 weeks without driving her? That's a long time.. "

My Definition of Poser: "**** this is going to be expensive. I can't afford this!" Maxes out credit card to fix and then sells immediately after. Then brags to his friends "The last repair on the Ferrari I had was $20,000. Can you believe I spent that to fix my old Ferrari. I only sold it to buy a ________."

 

Stop there. Never would happen to the passionate guy because he's up on maintenance. The poser puts it off (because he's either too broke or smug) until it happens.

 

I won't say never but I hope so!!!🙂

 

So in your opinion, someone who has wanted a Ferrari all their life, saves up/gets a loan and finally manages to achieve their dream of owning one, then suffers a problem with the car that could bankrupt them and their whole family if they try to keep the car, so fixes it and then sells it, is just a poser? - Really?

Personally, I'd say that's an unlucky sod! - Not a poser!

Here's a life lesson for you:

Sometimes in life, s:censored:t happens and you have to get your priorities right.

Putting yourself in serious financial jeopardy for the sake of owning a car, even a Ferrari, is just plain stupid! - Even more so if it puts the rest of your family in jeopardy!

I love My Ferrari, but if anything happens in My life that means it will destroy Me financially to keep it, then the car goes! If that makes Me a poser in your eyes then that's your tough s:censored:t!


When it comes passion Vs. Posers, as I see it, it has nothing whatsoever to do with those who can afford to repair a Ferrari and those who can't - That's just misguided elitist bull:censored:t as far as I'm concerned!

The owners with passion for the Marque drive their cars as Enzo Ferrari intended - At speed, on twisty back lanes where they can explore the capabilities of the car, and enjoy the car for themselves alone. They're not concerned with being seen driving a Ferrari by others - It's all about the driver, not those watching!

The owners who are posers are those owners for whom being seen driving a Ferrari by others is far more important than exploring what the car is capable of. They shun the twisty back lanes and prefer to drive slowly through towns and cities at slow speed, to be sure that they're seen by others. They have to be seen at all of the trendy clubs, country clubs, bars and restaurants, and make sure that they tell everyone they meet that they own a Ferrari.


Want to know the real shocker though? - The most passionate of all about Ferrari are the Tifosi, and the vast majority of them do not, and never will own a Ferrari, but they have more passion for Ferrari and the Scuderia than just about any owner on the planet!

 

everyone should just drive and be happy.....

 

Hear ye, hear ye ... We should not judge. Let the poseurs pose. We don't have to join them. And we don't have to criticise them unless they do things which impact on us - like drive or behave irresponsibly in such a way that would tar the reputation of other Ferrari owners.

 

Yes, and those that do not drive enough should make time to do so. Take your investment, status symbol, beast, poserific auto wanna be, and be out of the barn on the road before the belt instantly expires in 3 years.. and of course remember to check tire pressure, oil level and tie rods because everything else should be perfect if you know your car that well.. you are not a poser! [emoji1]

 

It's both.

Passion: Owning my 348 has been a lifelong dream. I feel like I've arrived. Driving it home from the dealer was emotional for me. Several months later, I still fuss over every little thing, check on it in the garage even when I don't plan to drive it that day, etc. I keep low key about it, I don't drive it to work, and I've been hiding it from extended family and in-laws. I drive it mostly for myself, by myself, point A-->A. I've been reading everything I can about these cars, watching videos, and planning my future repairs. In short, I'm obsessed.

Posing: Today, I drove the 348 to pick up the kid from school, and I got there early to park in pole position for school pickup. The looks on the kids faces was... disappointing. Like I was invisible. What's wrong with kids these days? Then we went to the local cafe for warm drinks, where I parked prominently and sat near the window to admire the view. Maybe a bit female hygiene wash bottley, but I still enjoyed it. Used the car today for point A-->B purposes, running errands in the rare winter sun.

Posing and passion... It's okay to have both. Like Usher said; "A lady in the street and a freak in the sheets."

 

Nader, you're my kinda guy. I understand where you're coming from. Glad you're enjoying the car. And frankly, I think you're lucky that it hasn't drawn more attention. That way you can enjoy it for yourself without the hassle crowds. Even if I liked the LF or the Mac P1, I wouldn't want to drive one because of the attention they attract from the Twitbook crowd.

Agree that we shouldn't be passing judgement on an owner's reasons for buying a car (although sometimes that's easier said than done) but I do lament the effect that poseurs have had on the marque. Maybe I'm being unrealistic since environment and safety regulations have been a big factor in the recent models' increase in size/weight, but I can't help but think that the number of poseurs in the current customer base has driven some of the recent de-evolution from sports cars to rolling video games.

 

this.

I had my car for months before my neighbors even knew about it! I didn't tell or show anyone right away. My wife thought it sounded very strange when I told her I just wanted to be alone with it for a while and I'd reveal the information when I was good and ready. Ferrari was always a dream of mine too, like most, as I kid I watched Magnum PI and Miami Vice for glimpses of the Ferraris. I had books on the factory, the Marque, and Enzo I loved to read over and over. I wrote a biography of Enzo Ferrari in 7th grade. I was fortunate to have some early access to Ferrrari, a good friend of my dad's is master technician in NC so when we'd visit I'd get some "backstage access." The first Ferrari I ever rode in was a 330 GTC, so I went old school early! Anyway, I didn't buy the car for anybody else, I bought it because it was something I've always desired and what it means to me having lusted after the Marque for as long as I can remember.

 

First of all.. I don't particularly CARE if a person buys a car that bankrupts them. It's their stupid decision that they chose to make. FYI I used a loan to buy mine. I don't disparage people who stretch for one. I paid it off 2 years ahead of schedule.

Here's another life lesson for you: Some people will read into whatever you write about their own insecurities and take it in a way far beyond the context of what you write. You can't fix them, you can't correct them. You just shrug and move on.

To clarify for you: No **** bad things happen. If an owner doesn't have "passion" to for the car and bought it "because it's a Ferrari" and they want to look the part, they sell it. I looked at 3 cars that had a PO like this while shopping for mine. If they had passion for the car.. they would have kept it and gotten rid of the Escalade. The key part though if you read is bragging about the costs after it's sold.