Highest Price Ever Paid for F430 6-spd Gated MT

Thanks for your very 'straight forward' answer to my questions, for this is what I was hoping for, and can only help to make what is already a much more difficult position to be in, (created by circumstances beyond my control), much easier to access and process.

Regarding your comment about the Lamborghini Gallardo, I also had a keen interest in this vehicle as well and also see it as an alternative vs buying the Ferrari. What I have learned about this vehicle is only the 2009~2013 LP 560-4 with the introduction of the new uneven firing 5.2 L V10 engines are worth pursuing as there was a lot of problems with the earlier ones which one should avoid at all cost! Since a manual transmission is also fundamental to my decision as well, I gave up on finding a Gallardo as I learned only 59 MT were allegedly ever brought into the USA throughout all the years of production. However, quite recently I may add, a 2011 Gallardo Spyder with 40,000 miles on it's clock just recently became available on the East Coast as a For Sale by Owner, for $109K which seemed more than reasonable, so reasonable that's it's probably gone by now. But since I had no perspective on how the mileage affects the prices of these vehicles I didn't pursue it any further. BTW, I'm quoting the mileage from my memory which may be higher than the 40,000 on its clock.

Thanks so much for your answer, very helful.

johnfe

 

Thank you very much for posting this, in fact I went to the link and looked over the photos of the vehicle, and while I was looking them over oddly enough my phone rang and when I answered it it was "RAC Performance" from Dallas calling as I had inquired about a month ago about a different vehicle which was now sold, and although we had never spoken before I did receive an Email from them about a month ago.

When the gentleman described the vehicle I realized this was the same vehicle I was currently viewing, and incidentally told him so. I also explained I'm very interested to learn more about this vehicle, however I also have a bid in on another one and am waiting to hear back as to the results of that, at this time. He did tell me however this was the original owner of this vehicle which makes it more enticing.

Thanks so much for the 'heads-up' on this vehicle.

johnfe

 

Good to know you took no offense, but to answer your question as to the reason that made me consider that possibly was because of your overall tone I perceived you were perturbed that I would even ask such a thing. Moving on....

No I have never had the experience of even sitting in a Ferrari much less driving one. In fact when I told my older Brother (who lives in Seattle) about my pursuing this he, divulged his neighbor 2 doors down from him owns a 2006 and he had photographed it shown here (he was given a ride in this vehicle):

https://www.360cities.net/image/ferrari-f430-spider-newcastle-golf-club-newcastle-wa-usa

My Brother is into doing these 360 degree photos which you can move around the photos to see more, in fact here are a several more links to photos of Ferrari's shown at a Meet in the Pacific Northwest that everyone may enjoy taken by my Brother Bill:

https://www.360cities.net/image/ferraris-in-the-rain-ferrari-concours-d-elegance-nw-region-ferrari-club-of-america

https://www.360cities.net/image/gto-dreams-ferrari-concours-d-elegance-nw-region-ferrari-club-of-america

https://www.360cities.net/image/two-rare-1962-gtos-ferrari-concours-d-elegance-nw-region-ferrari-club-of-america

I agree with you I should have the experience under my belt, so to speak, to more fully understand what I'm getting into, however there's also a time factor involved which may prevent me from doing just that in order not to miss out on what's currently available. And that's the reason for my ever increasing barrage of questions I'm putting forth, as I'm now very slim on time regarding the buying process.

Lastly, I might add my Brother Bill, is vehemently opposed to my doing this as he asked me recently what brought this on, and I answered having become aware of an operation I must undergo it the near future made me more aware of my own mortality and since this was a dream I had always hoped to fulfill, I had to ask myself, what the hell was I waiting for? Waiting for what, indeed? You know peer pressure is a funny thing especially when it involves a sibling. And I know that once he hears what I did, or paid for one on these Ferrari's I'll never hear the end on it. As many tell me I should simply ignore his input, but it's much easier said than done.

On the plus side I might add I actually went to 2 Dealerships and got to see the Ferrari's up close and personal. LOL!

Thanks for the time you spent outlining your thoughts, they are appreciated even if I can't fully agree with all of your points.

johnfe

 

Largely it was because of the article that I decided on the F430 over the 360:

https://aldousvoice.com/2014/07/08/ferrari-360-vs-f430/

I agree with you about the F430, I can assure you I don't plan to let any grass grow under my feet on this one!

johnfe

 

What can I say to this great advice but, Yeah? And, so "Let it be written. So let it be done!" LOL!

 

Sounds good to me no matter what I do I would still love to see your Ferrari F430 MT or do you have a Ferrari 360 MT? Either way, both are great cars! I currently own a 2003 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Volante 6 speed manual and when I bought it, it was one of only 2 in the USA which were up for sale at that time. Oddly enough one was on the East Coast I believe in New Jersey, and the other one just happened to be in Manhattan Beach, CA and that's the one I ended up buying.

I have worked as a professional mechanic in the past and in fact put myself through college doing so. There's only a very few things I've never done working on cars, so the first thing I did when I brought my Aston Martin was to go to their technical website and download all of their technical information and complete workshop manual. It is set up so you pay a fee for a 24 hour period and during that time you can download any of their documents you like.

Does anyone know if Ferrari has anything like this? As the very first thing I do is buy a Complete Workshop Manual for any vehicle I ever own.

Fairly recently, I ordered new Eibach Federn German front coil springs for the front end and replaced the ones in the front end along with the proper shims. I took pictures of the method I used and always planned to post them on the AMOC forum but never got around to it, but did send them to a chap over in England so he could what I did. I also replaced all the crappy Lambda O2 Sensors that came with the vehicle, and put in all Bosch sensors and did a complete cleaning of the MFA sensors located behind the Air Filter Boxes and installed brand new oil bathed air filters so it's running like a top and no longer throwing up any CEL's like it did when I first got it. Now it really roars! LOL

Thanks for letting me know,

johnfe

 

Do you live anywhere near Swindon? I have a friend from the AMOC Forum that lives there.

johnfe

 

You know what's interesting is that because a dealer I was price negotiating with kept saying the this car sold for $395K I simple believed him, and it wasn't until just recently; that I finally noticed that it actually sold for $357,500K. But when I went here to read more about this Infamous Alligator Ferrari F430 I learned so much more! For example when I went here and learned the real facts about this situation I learned it really sold for $170K and not the #357,500K that everyone was touting! Read the fine print below the photo shown here to learn facts which must not be overlooked:

2007 Ferrari F430 Spider | Arizona 2016 | RM Sotheby's

If one takes the time to read the fine print below the vehicle in the photo one will find out the “Alligator Interior Option” alone cost an additional $154,798.00. It’s because of this I decided to add up these additional options which are not normally found on these vehicles to see how they might have really impacted the sale of this vehicle. Also note the article points out the extraordinary actual sticker price of this vehicle was $419,534.00! Thus making it a real bargain at $357,900K LOL (Sarcasm)

Additional Unusual Options:

$154,798.00 Alligator Interior Option
$ 17,000.00 Carbon-Ceramic Brake System (was an option on the 2007 Model)
$ 9,983.00 Carbon Fiber for Engine Compartment
$ 2,721.00 Challenge Style Rear Segment in Carbon Fiber
$ 3,665.00 Ball Polished Challenge Stradale Style Wheel Rims
__________
$188,167.00 Total Costs of Non-Normal Options

Also please note the published article also states an additional $52,000.00 in additional options were added to the optional cost of the Alligator Interior Option of $154,798.00. The additional Non-Normal Options I added for this 2007 vehicle is a total of $33,369.00 and when subtracted from the $52,000.00 additional options over and above the Alligator Interior Option of $154,798.00 this still leaves a rather generous figure of $18,631.00 for the traditional options such as Daytona Seats which are normally found on many 2007 Ferrari F430’s.

Therefore, let’s now take a look at what this 2007 Ferrari F430 6-Speed Gated MT vehicle really auctioned for; once these most unusual specialty items were subtracted from the mix, shall we?

$357,500.00 Total - 2007 Ferrari F430 6-Spd. Gated MT ‘Alligator Car’ Auctioned for
($188,167.00) Minus Total Costs of Non-Normal Options
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$169,333.00 Total Price Car Auctioned For was $170K! Not $357,500K After removing all the frills

Therefore, when one really takes the time to properly analyze this auction sale, this car can’t be used as a “Benchmark” by which to judge potential future prices of this vehicle.

Additionally it's my understanding from people who attended this auction that the price of $357,500K = $325,000K + $32,500K (10% Commission of sale of vehicle). What this represents is nothing more than anomaly or an outlier of what these cars are really selling for and nothing more!

Just saying.....

johnfe

 

Well don't feel like the Lone Ranger out there, as we all realize these things are quite unpredictable and it's very hard to properly access just when is the right moment to pull the trigger and act so to speak.

If I have victory with this situation it will even be a surprise and shock to me, as well. One's things for sure you'll know about it if I do get lucky enough to own one of the legendary automobiles and I'll make sure you get a chance to see it.

Never stop trying, your moment will come, "Perseverance and Determination alone is Omnipotent!"-- Coolidge

johnfe

 

No I would have to politely, and respectfully, disagree with your somewhat callous assessment. In fact I would think you'd be doing the very same thing I'm doing if you were fighting with a Dealer who kept telling you the car is worth more based on an erroneous amount as the Dealer kept saying these cars have sold for $395K! And was continuing to hold that over you after you had already offered a pound of your flesh for the damn vehicle.

But I'm still glad you gave your unvarnished assessment of this as I wanted to see how different people might react to what I have stated here as I already Emailed this to the Dealer in an effort to dispel his false notions of the crazy pie in the sky amounts once and for, all in hopes of discussing 'real world values.'

But who knows he may turn out to be just like you and dismiss the valid points I'm making considering me to be a total ass instead. But I still had to try. I'll agree I got carried away when the Bold typing which I'll admit looks a bit overdone.

But my points are indeed valid, this car got jacked up and got it's notoriety from the $154,798K Alligator interior which is not Ferrari in anyway shape or form which is totally ridiculous! I think someone put it best when they said, "they were just glad Enzo was not alive to witness a Ferrari being turned into a Pimp Mobile"

Additionally most vehicles on the market today don't have the carbon fiber for engine compartment added for $10K, and most of the cars pre 2008, and 2009 didn't order the Carbon Ceramic Brake options either, all you have to do is look at the numbers on Aldous Voice to confirm that to be true. Now some ordered the more expense wheels but not many.

Put all these items which aren't normally there together with the alligator, and take them out of the equation and just what do you have? A car that auctioned off for $170K, Big Deal!

Now for the rest of the weekend I'll be praying the Dealer Manager doesn't think like you and has a more open mind. Honestly I will!

johnfe