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  1. Apolo1

    Apolo1 Karting

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    Why should we, unlike you we own and drive the cars we talk about. All the videos you keep showing are just that car on that track on that day, with that driver did this, that's all......
     
  2. Lieven

    Lieven Formula Junior

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    Tims16M said it's easy to find a video showing whatever you want, that's why you should.

    So far we're still waiting on:

    1) Video evidence of braking from 300kph at 150m marker on Portimao in 918;

    2) Video evidence of slowing 160-80mph in a GT3 RS in 80m on Hangar Straight; and

    3) Video evidence of a 918 running a 1:54 lap from standing start at Portimao.
     
  3. AHMTHSSN

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    You missed out the fourth one.
     
  4. Jo Sta7

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    I can't believe Lieven is still on this. Luckily I don't have to read his asinine posts unless someone quotes him. Come on though kid. Give. It. Up. You. Lose!
     
  5. Westview

    Westview Formula Junior

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    To be precise mycroft/Lieven said in an earlier post that the P1 did the N-ring lap in 6:48. Where's the video evidence Mr hypocrite?
     
  6. Lieven

    Lieven Formula Junior

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    Does one really require evidence that the P1 is at least as fast as an Aventador SV? You know, the same Aventador SV that the 675LT has walloped everywhere. And with the Huracan Performante now claiming 6:52, all of a sudden the 918 lap isn't that fast anymore.

    McLaren 675LT vs Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV - FastestLaps.com

    675LT Aventador LP750-4 SV
    (Thermal Club Raceway 1:22.62 1:23.56 - Known liar's time included for completeness.)
    Motortrend Figure-8 0:22.40 0:23.10
    Willow Springs 1:24.29 1:25.42
    Hockenheim Short 1:07.20 1:07.80
    Sachsenring 1:30.52 1:31.79
    Vairano Handling Course 1:10.10 1:11.84
     
  7. Lieven

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    #21082 Lieven, Jan 22, 2017
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    All they claimed was sub-7 minutes. And JFC, you really need a video to prove that a P1 is faster than an Aventador SV? And a Performante now claims 6:52. But no, a P1 couldn't possibly go sub-7 could it, because you hate the P1.

    Maybe it'll be released when Sport Auto release the P1's Hockenheim Short lap video and time because it's a fact that they ran one on Trofeo Rs on the same day as a 918WS.

    http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vergleichstest/porsche-918-spyder-gegen-mclaren-p1-887-und-916-ps-fuer-den-legendenstatus-8893152.html
     
  8. Westview

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    I would encourage Whoopsy/Apolo to forever refer to Mycroft as Mr. 6:48.
     
  9. Lieven

    Lieven Formula Junior

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    The leaked time was 6:47 but McLaren never confirmed that, only said sub-7, i.e. at least as quick as an Aventador SV. Who would have guessed?
     
  10. Tims16M

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    I'm assuming that if there isn't a YouTube video confirming times, it didn't happen per the lieven's gold standard. Too bad Wernher von Braun didn't live in these times , he could have pick up so much more in the advancement of rocket technology by watching YouTube.
     
  11. MaxMcQueen

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    That SV in the record video seems to be too much faster in the long straight.
     
  12. Jo Sta7

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    It's a BS time. Something has to have been different about that car. Lambo claimed 20+ seconds was shaved off due to suspension or something like that. Ya right. Maybe the one that went around the ring weighed 3300 pounds while customer cars are damn near 4000.
     
  13. MaxMcQueen

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    Look also at the 250-300 kph, the stright is going slightly uphill. 9.1s is fast.
     
  14. Scuderia980

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    you mean the car that was remapped, with non stock chassis setup, and a roll cage...and supposedly with 'standard' corsa's, managed to break 7 min? silly manufacturer stunt...
     
  15. Scuderia980

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    NO, in this case even though there is no youtube 'proof', he uses what I call the "Lambo-proof by deductive reasoning". He assumes the silly Aventador SV time, and the 'rumored' new record by the baby Lambo are factual records, so he uses that line of reasoning to conclude that therefore P1 'should' be quicker. Also, he uses the Lambo times to marginalize what 918 has legitimately proven, that its time is now 'slow', while also assuming that the current record is the best that 918 can/will ever do.

    Mycrap is insane, unbalanced, and obsessed/addicted to internet forum data mining...with a an unbearable need, an urge to 'win', to be right, to have the last word, thus spends A LOT of time on various car forums (using various 'identities') and youtube to fill an unknown void. Scary.
     
  16. Scuderia980

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    but there's no youtube video, so by his own standards it's not real. therefore he uses the Lambo fallacy as 'proof'. the dude is by FAR the most ridiculous 'contributor' to Fchat in the past few years. F1 section has had some crazy dudes in the past posting absolutely bonkers, but this dude takes the cake.
     
  17. MaxMcQueen

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    #21092 MaxMcQueen, Jan 22, 2017
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    Agree.
    There are more than one. Their clue is a proof. When they need, certainties at that point make no sense. The problem is when they use to see the non-existent things with guessing or not able to see the evident. Hard work talk with them.
     
  18. Whoopsy

    Whoopsy Formula Junior

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    And you will not believe those that didn't fit your narrative.

    Chris Harris tire test anyone?

    The Grand Tour's world wide board cast lap times, another one that you don't want to believe.

    Hmm.

    you can't have your cake and eat it too. Believe them when they fit and dispute them when they don't.
     
  19. Jo Sta7

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    Or how about all the things that happen that don't get filmed? Like people just go everywhere with a go pro to record things for the internet. 99.9% of things don't get recorded. It's called living in the moment. Something Lieven doesn't do very often because he's too busy watching other ppl live in YouTube videos.
     
  20. Scuderia980

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    guy is strange, for sure. anyhoo...we need to move on from this dude....
     
  21. Scuderia980

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    yep, it makes rational and coherent discussion impossible...
     
  22. Whoopsy

    Whoopsy Formula Junior

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    6:47 is the best sectors time. Quite well known up and down the Ring paddock.

    It's really not a secret. But it's also why there is no 'one video' to proof the 6:47. To do that they will need to cut and paste from a number of videos to get a 6:47 'lap'.

    The P1's battery is so small that there isn't enough 'juice' to get around the Ring under full power all the time, and when the battery ran low, the engine power will be diverted to charge the battery and that means even less power for propulsion.

    The P1 is a 'sprint' car, in shorter tracks it can run full power for the whole track for a couple laps.

    Make sense as McLaren is a F1 team and focuses on short 'sprint' races.

    918 is a endurance car, with a HOT LAP mode for 'sprint' events. Porsche is a sports car endurance racing brand, of course they will design a car that can run all day long. Put it in Race mode and it will basically do the same lap times until the gas tank runs dry. Advantage of the 2 e-motor setup and regen braking and bigger battery reserve.
     
  23. Mclarenf1gtrlm

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    #21098 Mclarenf1gtrlm, Jan 23, 2017
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    But you have to remember when SV set the time,track was faster than the one in which 918 set time.Several bumps on the track have been removed.
    So 918 would be faster if tested today.
     
  24. Mclarenf1gtrlm

    Mclarenf1gtrlm Karting

    Oct 27, 2016
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    Your writing,comments in other forums seem pretty similar to the other guy I was conversing with.
     
  25. Mclarenf1gtrlm

    Mclarenf1gtrlm Karting

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    Do you have the source for huracan's time?I have never heard of that time.
     

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