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  1. smg2

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    With the recent increase in PM's and overall uptick in sales on parts I wanted to update the group and mostly newer members here that we specialize in 308 and 328 parts along with all the other models. Notably though the 308 holds a soft spot for Nick and I and we pour a lot of attention and love into developing new and updated parts for them, whether it be std replacement or go fast goodies.

    Nick launched a new site here: NICKS FORZA FERRARI - Home
    And still has the old one as well: Genuine and high performance Ferrari parts and modifications

    We've developed a number of new things for the F106 Engine series over the last yr and will be expanding on a few other things as well. New OEM spec flywheels complete with ring gears in addition to performance flywheel clutch pckg's. Pistons and Rods in stock sizes. Another great product is head gaskets, wow was that one a long R&D project. After the recent changes in the OEM fabrication and severe issues with some aftermarket ones we searched out to have our own mfg'd. The gaskets are a 3D carbon/metallic composite designed to 'crush' and work as the factory intended and also coated in high temp silicone for zero leakage into the head studs and combustion rings. We're expanding the line on those to include all the models and any custom if needed. There is also a custom spec wheel line that is happening this yr as well.

    I've noted that there is also some recent interest in timing pulleys, the pulleys Nick carries are of course the adjustable ones developed over a decade ago right here on F-chat, utilizing the curve linear toothed belts vs the older outdated trapezoidal ones. To answer the question many may be asking, no we can not compete with the others for sale at their listed price point. One of the big reasons why is due to license rights. Gates corporation owns the hob cutters that mfg the hob stock to make pulleys. To cut gears or pulley stock called hob stock is a very interesting process, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbing
    Here's the catch, sourcing the hob blanks for making pulleys requires going to the only mfg who uses licensed cutters that are leased from Gates. If I wanted to avoid that I'd have to go overseas to China and have everything mfg'd there. That is a risky proposition as it's far too open to lawsuits when belts wear poorly or fail from using pulleys made from illegally copied hob cutters. This is a salient point, if a belt wears prematurely or fails and the owner investigates why and it's found that the pulley was the reason due it not being a licensed product from Gates then the owner and Gates can hold the mfg and seller legally responsible, I'm not keen on having to foot the bill on a Ferrari engine rebuild due to belt failure along with legal fees. When I first designed the pulleys yrs ago I had to register with Gates as an engineer to get access to the required engineering information to properly develop those pulleys, as such they are very aware of the mfg, as there is a 'paper trail'.

    I'm not saying that other sellers are using cheap chinese copies, I just know that material costs prevent us from getting anywhere close to the others price point unless we buy in massive bulk or go with unlicensed material. We've thought of mfg a non adjustable version but the cost savings is not enough to justify the mfg costs esp when the adjustable version offers so much more in being able to tune and play with your cam timing.

    We realize that our products are at the upper end of the budget. Nick and myself have a passion for Ferrari and our goal has been to update and improve in anyway where the factory was unable to do so while making sure every product meets and exceeds what the factory would do if the budget allowed. We also strive to ensure the aesthetics are as though it left the factory or was commissioned at the factory. Every part I engineer and develop we put thru rigorous testing to failure and do it again, only then is it over engineered for it's function and approved for release. It's a labor of love and what Ferrari is not worth that effort? From factory dealerships to DIY at home around the world we've supplied parts and the goal is to insure that every part we've developed and is installed on a Ferrari helps maintain it's value and most importantly, improve reliability.

    I found out last yr that we (Nicks Forza) are well known to Ferrari, they are impressed with our work and what we do. It's a strange and surreal thing to find that out, it also puts a bit more pressure on to insure that it stays that way.
     
  2. Crowndog

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    Thanks Scott for all your help here and your dedicated support for our passion.
     
  3. Casino Square

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    Really appreciate the detailed explanation. If anything, it convinces me of the value and reliability inherent in your products.
     
  4. smg2

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    You're welcome guys, and thanks as well. It's a bit of work but fun too.
     
  5. smg2

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    #5 smg2, Feb 1, 2017
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    I'll share some insights to what goes on behind the scenes so to speak, can't share all the secrets of course :D

    Lets look at camshafts and valves. Now there is two ways to do this, pick a grind and swap over parts for larger or smaller valves thus keeping it simple and easy... or the other is developing the cam lobe profile, and then checking all the forces and harmonics on the valves, keepers, springs and bucket follower. Plotting the results and double checking to insure there will be no trouble getting to at least 10k rpm and sustaining 8k rpm for extended periods of time.

    Some pics to help visualize what I'm blabbing on about. :)
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    #6 smg2, Feb 1, 2017
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    Here's some on air flow and particle study for fuel dispersion and vaporization. On one build we were getting very high frequencies at idle, it was not a pleasant noise so I ran a quick flow study to find out where it was occurring and how to resolve it. The air flow past the throttle blade was potentially exceeding mach and would result in stalled air flow aside from the horrid frequencies it produced. That one was a bit tricky to resolve but it was solved and the engine was able to run a lot smoother at idle and without the high pitched whistle.
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  9. JCR

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    Ooh, modern ribbed belt and tensioners. Very nice upgrade from the previous projects. Are the adjustable cam pulleys and round tooth belts under the covers?
     
  10. st@ven

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    After all the pro's some negative experience.

    some years ago I ordered shocks with Nick and he sent me the wrong ones. I complained and he sent the right ones only AFTER i sent the wrong ones back on my expense (which was quite expensive, from Europe..)

    Then after receiving and adjusting the new ones it turns out that one of them was not functioning well ( it worked well on all adjustable notches except the fifth. It was for some strange reason frozen on the 5th.)

    Again i had to sent it back, again on my own expense and then i had to PAY for the repair.
    I complained about all of this but never received any feedback or any compensation.



    If you profile yourself as a high end seller, to me this means more than to sell a product from an other company (the shocks are actually made by Alden Eagle) and practically double the price in the process but not provide ANY support in case of an issue. That's not high end behavior, that's scrapyard practice.
     
  11. Nick

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    #11 Nick, Feb 5, 2017
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    Steve, not really sure what is going on here.. Your posts when you purchased the products were positive back in 2010 and your other post in 2012 about our shocks, see the links below.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/139731100-post27.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141282563-post7.html


    We did issue you an in house credit for 200 USD for you having to ship back the shocks once all the dust settled. You should of received an e mail from our admin dept with a copy of that. Would have been towards the end of July of 2010. Did you not receive an e mail for our Admin dept?

    If you want to contact me I can send you a copy of that credit memo for your records, at this point after almost 7 years and how you have been slamming my business it's probably best for you to send me an e mail address and I will Paypal you the amount and we part ways.

    You can contact me at [email protected] to give me that information.

    For the record, we never actually charged you for shipping to the Netherlands on the initial order of the Direct coil XDI ignition system package and the set of 4 coil overs and adjusting wrench.

    You paid regular selling prices at the time and we including shipping to the Netherlands as if you were a customer in the USA.

    With respect to our shocks, we work with Aldan and many other manufacturers who specialize in certain items.

    Aldan does not list Ferrari 308 shocks, all of there info on shocks that we sell is supplied by us and they are built to the length spring rate and type of oil in the shock depending on application for the customer and cars use, we decide on those specifications.

    We also have a life time warranty on the shocks. If you were to have a problem with the shocks we would repair them free of charge (less shipping costs)

    We also have developed shocks that will fit the Ferrari Mondial's and late versions of the Ferrari 328 cars with no front upper A arm modification required.

    We as also working on a new design that will allow our double adjustable coil overs for all the 308 series cars and early 328 cars to be a direct bolt in, upper A arm modification will no longer be required.

    Our shocks are more robust than the shocks which some others talk about on Ferrari Chat and they are adjustable in rebound, compression and ride height.

    Attached are some photos of the late model 328/ Mondial shocks.
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  12. hanknum

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    Hey Scott,

    I got to find time to check out your stuff...

    Henry
     
  13. st@ven

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    responded by e-mail
     
  14. st@ven

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    And Nick responded back...

    I'm happy to tell you that Nick and I had a long and fruitful mail exchange.
    As many of these things, much is related to communication. When dealing with a vendor, or costumer from another continent we all should maybe be a little bit more aware of different behavior and approaches to issues in different parts of the world. We both learned a little lesson there I think.

    Anyway, Nick made a very nice gesture which i accepted. For me this puts things to rest.
    And for me it is also the proof that Nick DOES take his costumers serious. Even 7 years after the issue.
     
  15. sltillim

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    Cool to see this!
     
  16. Casino Square

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    Nick, that sounds like great customer service. Another reason I will consider your company's products when I plan an upgrade on my 308.
     
  17. buzzdoc

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    I've been reading everything I can find on this site about water pumps for my 308. Replace v rebuild v cheap v expensive, etc. There hasn't been a definitive answer about what is best. Seeing this thread makes me quite happy that I decided to ante up for the NFF water pump last night. Now to wait for UPS (and the weather)...
     

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