The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

Wonderful myth-building tales and remarks. But what are Montezemolo’s, Pininfarina’s and the Pope’s remarks compared to MiuraSV’s detailed evidence, even if the remarks are true? Simply no Ferrari frame - not even in any parts. If someone does not agree, he is kindly invited to name them

 

Personal devotion or simply a click generating strategy? If yes, this has an impact on serious moderation and the forum’s reputation.

 

Correct, but not the point. Upon MiuraSV’s evidence pure DP0003 and 0% 0846 frame. And there is a DP0003 and no ‘0846/DP003’.

 

Fine, so let's respect the rules and remove the tread.

 

Open discussion and participation is wonderful ... even more so when the rules are applied.

 

You make some decent points about the car but i think you are taking this too far against Fchat.

I would ask that you cool it on the removal of the thread.

If nothing else keeping it in this section makes it so its not buried. Who goes to the replica section... far far less than the vintage section. I think its better that this stuff is known and debated. Its better for people to educate themselves.

Please don't push this to the replica section for it to die.

Enthusiasts should know, and this is the best way to get it out there. Jim has the hype machine figured out and has big reach... however the naysayers have virtually nothing.

This is the best way to keep the information at the forefront.

Removing it to the replica section doesn't make it anymore a replica than Jim calling the car a real car. It won't accomplish anything but getting the info OUT of the spot light

 

That's a fair point. I'll withdraw my request to move it to the replica section. However, it would be nice to have something sticky as a title/header to disclose Ferrari will not call Jims car 0846 so casual readers know at a glance where things stand. It's no longer a debate. That's the "official" position on the car.

 

A ban on LGS is unfair. He had only asked that FerrariChat's own house rules be applied to JG's car. Please remove the ban and reinstate him. Thank you.

 

Having read it, to be objective here, it seems more like Dolan banning Oakley from MSG.
Kind of severe.

 

I think Rob is right to lay down the law a bit here in this thread. Aside from the politics threads this thread contains more BS and agenda driven arguements than any I've seen in all my years on Fchat. Both sides of the issues of continued to set "rules" and standards of proof that get thrown out the minute they don't support their chosen sweeping conclusions about this Bitsa car. Regardless of the end conclusions, many people on both sides have shown their a$$ along the way having compromised integrity by abandoning the standards they championed on a quest to advance an opinion about the relative merit of the parts that make up this bitsa.

 

Replying to an fchat user with the opening line of "Bull****" and accusing another of having a "thick skull" is rather caustic as well is it not, I guess I will have another ban now for mentioning such?

 

Just so I understand how I come up short in having a viewpoint worth reading, so I won't make that mistake again... your point is: That 11 years isn't long enough to have a view point? Or that 300 posts isn't committed enough to be considered?

 

Sure. Clarification helpful. Though I would have thought 11 years was sufficient exposure (and I was lurking even earlier after I bought my first berlinetta). Though the bar "contains NOTHING" from 0846" is a rather low one, perhaps never to be achieved. In this age of liability as well, I doubt they have an incentive to proactively state an opinion.

 

Never going to happen.

 

Rob, I respect you and and I have deep respect for this board. I don't say either of these, lightly. But, in the interests of open discourse, I absolutely feel the need to pursue this line of reasoning a bit more. Tell me to shut up, and i will respect your decision and leave this thread.

My only possible contribution here is one of logic (a topic on which i do pride myself), perspective and, perhaps, consistency.

If your reasoning, above, applies uniformly to all vintage cars, then the logical equivalent of your statement above (in bold) is this :

FerrariChat considers a car to be "authentic" as long as BOTH of these two conditions are met :

1. There's even the slightest chance that the chassis could contain any original bits.

-and-

2. The owner claims it to be authentic.

(The logical "-and-" was not chosen arbitrarily ... it means that, if either condition is not met, then FerrariChat considers the car to be replica. This is consistent with your statement above, in bold).


Is this, in fact, the standard applied by FerrariChat to ALL vintage vehicles?