McLaren 720S - 2017

I am sure that this would demolish its opposition of entry level supercars but I am curious to know if this or any new McLarens would feature 3 seater layout,I had heard that one of their upcoming models would but I am not sure of it.

 

+1 the car looks terrible in that photo due to lens distortion messing up its proportions. The more "normal" looking photos in the first post show far better looking proportions. Can't wait for official photo press release.

 

MSO are committed to a very limited production 3-seater in 2019.

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Mclaren sold only 106 F1 cars because the market was terrible and no one else wanted one. Todays market is red hot and PLENTY more people would buy this car so I do not understand why limit it so much?! Even the Chiron will have 500 examples. If the car really is going to be that good why make it in such small numbers that will all but ensure none will ever really get used??? If the F1 were to go to market today there is a ZERO percent chance they would go in with such a small number on their minds. Regera will total 80 but there are opnly 70-80 people total that make up that company (im sure atleast 25 minimum special editions in addition to that will come). Is Mclaren implying that MSO will design, test and build the entire project?

 

Understand that the original project plan for what has now morphed into 'BP23' called for building no more than 10 examples so it has grown considerably in scope already.

I do think most involved with the project (both internally and depositors) are fairly happy with the number they have settled upon now. Balancing a level of exclusivity against what the market demands is always going to be a challenge and I don't personally believe that it is the type of car you produce to the limit that the market will bear. Of course they know they could have sold more than 106 considering they received three times as many applications.

You mention that the market is red hot, but buyers are also spoiled for choice with things like the Aston/RedBull project and the forthcoming Mercedes hypercar along with all the usual suspects from the other top tier brands. One of the reasons the F1 was lacking in demand back in the 1990s was a global recession which also impacted the production plans for the Jaguar XJ220, Bugatti EB110 and other things like the Yamaha supercar that never even materialized.

McLaren's Automotive division is still growing and the company have a lot of competing objectives, so they can't divert too many resources to any one special project either. If they were to commit to building too many of these and we see a repeat of any economic difficulties they run the risk of losing money on the project. I believe one final aspect was avoiding having these fall into the hands of pure speculators - the list has been very carefully curated to ensure the people getting one are very committed to keeping it.

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I appreciate your thoughts on my comment. I would just like to see more cars so that more examples would actually hit the road for the world to kind of share in the experience. If the car is out of this world making just 5 isn't doing the car and its creators any justice. The F1 LM is a great example though I understand the reason somewhat. If you know of any videos where someone is actually driving the car semi hard please share. I remember RL's video on the car a while back but it seems to have been removed from the internet entirely. IIRC it was about the time they put together the video to showcase the cars that were shown in the museum exhibit. Carrera GT, Ford GT (2005) and F40 are some of the best ever and were all built to over 1000 units. In a planet of XX billion people, those cars are extremely rare yet plentiful enough to fall into hands of car drivers and not just collectors. Hopefully my intent is coming off accurately here. Thank you for all you share on the forums on the F1. If it weren't for you I would never have seen so many cool photos and stories on the cars.

 

I have added some of the F1 videos in this thread,hope that you will like them.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/british/543886-ultimate-videos-mclaren-f1.html

 

Thank you my friend!

 

I sold my 675LT coupe in November for $479K which was $20,000 OVER what I paid for it (I gave the dealer $2,500 commission so I netted $17,500) and I had put 2,200 wonderful miles on it. It's an amazing car and they're holding their value just fine. I sold it because I my MSO HS was just being finished and I didn't need two 675LT coupes. I also have a 675LT Spider arriving this week.

 

Oops, turned out it wasn't. But I'm still happy with the Ford performance numbers and it will be a very desirable car regardless.

 

Thats awesome Mark. Hopefully you can share some photos or videos of your HS. Enjoy them both in good health, you are living the dream.

 

Here's one I took this morning.
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Everyone here beats McLaren up on resale values and now, as they're starting to get their house in order in that department, people want them to throw that away? They're building 106 because they want them to be valuable and rare.

Which is too many for a $2M+ car that most buyers can afford to buy new and customize for themselves allowing after-market examples to sit unsold for years in fancy showrooms. Even if that works for Bugatti (which is part of a much larger company with way more resources) it wouldn't work for McLaren. They're a young company trying to balance all the different variables. If the long-term value of the car rests in the hands of the customers then that's a win-win for McLaren but it is still going to be a very expensive and unique car.

McLaren owners drive their cars. Lots of F1s have significant numbers of miles on them. Heck there's an owners' group that arranges a many-days long driving excursion every year for F1s and a lot of them show up. I don't own an F1 but I'm one 15 minute drive away from having 7,500 miles on my P1 and there are many with more mileage than that. My 650S Spider was traded-in (for 675LT Spider) with over 9,200 lovely miles on it. I've been to several Pure McLaren track events and there have been numerous P1s showing up and thundering around the track at them. BP23 is being made as a car comfortable, fast and fun and absolutely meant to be driven. I certainly plan to drive mine plenty!

And to go fill circle back to your argument - the fact that they're making only 106 examples of BP23 virtually guarantees mileage won't be a huge factor in their resale value. It certainly hasn't with F1 for that very reason. In the case of F1 even huge crashes have not diminished their value because MSO will happily rebuild and refurbish them as a customer desires. Part of my thinking, when I bought my P1, was that I would drive as much as I wanted and every 'x' years I'd fly it back to MSO in Woking and have the car refreshed just as people have done with the F1s and SLRs over the years.

 

The fact McLaren owners drive their cars (like Pagani owners) is a very important fact I did not consider. I love the brand and just want to be a part as much as I can with their unicorn projects so the low numbers make me nervous they will be locked away like F1s are these days. i live in NoVA and not in a flashy part so i don't get to see them on the road like people in LA, Miami etc. You have made a solid argument and have calmed my misplaced fears lol. Thank you.

BTW your HS is insane!!!! Maybe one day I will see it in person. a thread following you BP23 experience would be the next best thing to going through it myself. the car seems to be going to a perfect home.

 

"The 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8 in the 2nd generation #McLaren Super Series will redefine performance, helping deliver 0-124mph in just 7.8 sec"

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2828 dry weight seems incredible. Love that mclaren focus on weight. Can't wait to drive one.

 

I think Mac is finally hitting its stride.

Pushing Ferrari is a good thing.

 

No kidding! The Alfa 4c had a tough time to get under 2500 in US spec and with 1/2 the motor.

Good for Mac.

MarkNC is correct: Mac drivers drive their cars. Good for them!

 

Several friends went to NYC launch.

They will have 'launch cars' (400 of them) that will get to market in the spring.

Price will be about $350k. Order vehicles will start hitting mid fall 2017.

No one know for sure they won't have that same $100K+ depreciation like 650 did after a few years. Either way big gamble.

Better to wait a few years and grab used.

It's a stunner, but serious $$ for a car they will change in 3 years.

 

Why would you think the car would change in 3 years?

 

When you get to $350 K you're really looking at $400+. That's some pretty thin air.

 

Very thin, especially with interest rates rising.

 

$350 is thin air....

And McLaren is known/proven to drop like a rock. While the lovers say "well that has changed" I don't see it at all.

$350K McLaren is going to tank--come back to this thread in 2 years and lets discuss.

Is the 720 cool--yes. Is the $350 range thin air--you bet. And ALL exotic car buyers have to go on is the past--Mc doesn't have any leg to stand on in that regard with production cars.

We'll see...until then all noise.

 

The 720S will depreciate similar to just about any similarly priced, regular production exotic. Not more, not less.

You can't compare their first car to their recent car. Brand awareness, much larger dealership network, much better reviews, refined quality.

The 570S hasn't tanked. The 675LT hasn't tanked. The 720S won't tank.

I'd expect about $50K in first year depreciation, which would be pretty normal for such a high priced car.

 

Price won't be $350K for most normal orders. The first few hundred cars are pre-spec'd and are said to include a ton of stuff.

If you don't cover your car in CF, it will probably be more like $310-320K. Still a lot, but not $400K.