Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

wow

 

Okay son, if you think the Perf will beat the P1/918/LaF's times, we'll see.

First you claimed they used slicks remember son? How's that working out for you?

 

Yes, about 1s/minute faster but for the purpose of determining whether the LT on stock tyres is faster than an SV on stock tyres, it's irrelevant.

Yeah, a margin of 20s, that could mean anything really, if we're playing your game. Maybe with more time he'd be 1s faster, or maybe 30s faster, who knows right? Historically occasionally they get faster than factory claims even. That's the game you play against the P1 and LT. Maybe the P1 and LT can hammer the SV on every other circuit but somehow the 'ring is just peculiar right? Same far fetched logic.

Too bad the 918 got beaten on its home track at Hockenheim and Sport Auto didn't release the times, with the excuse that they'd wait for the super test. So what's the excuse now? You're not getting a super test, so just release the time, we all know the 918 lost.

Why don't you use your LFA logic? 7:38 -> 7:20, so 7:28 -> 7:10. Is the the P1 >1.5s/minute faster than a 12C? Hell yes, more like 3s/minute.

You haven't debunked anything. All you've done is use logic for another car but refuse to use the same logic for the McLarens.

 

P1 in Race Mode surely can. Add to the fact that the wheels are smaller and the engine stroke is shorter too.

 

I don't want to side with Lieven.But 111mph comes from McLaren themselves.
McLaren confirms P1 Nurburgring lap time | Auto Express

But that 6:33/6:47 is pure fantasy for me as confirmed by Evo's latest list.

 

The quote was 'in excess of 111mph' but in all honesty I think that was a miscalc based on the required time for a sub-7 lap.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/06/mclaren-p1-nurburgring-7-minute-run-video/

Nobody knows the true time, but the 6:47 leaked is definitely plausible on Corsas. Like I said, there's also a suggestion that the FXX K mule ran 6:35 on road tyres.
http://biser3a.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/LaFerrari-XX-2.jpg

 

On the first unsuccessful attempts the P1 didn't even have a windscreen wiper to be seen. You could only imagine what else was missing under the bonnet. After other many attempts they announced they just beat 7:00 without any relevant videos or independent third party witnesses. You can only imagine what kind of "modifications" they had on the car if their claim is even true. Whatever their claims are, theirs are the least credible Ring times in history.

Btw Glickenhaus is up next Next Glickenhaus aims for 6:30 Nurburgring lap | PistonHeads

 

Sport it just beat them at the Ring.

Not a slick I admit, but improved compound R.

How's the 6:33 claim working out for ya sport?? Still waiting for you're video proof sport. How about the 6:4x lap??? You must have the slower lap on video???

 

Yeah, maybe the whole engine was missing. This is probably why they didn't release the time, when you do a fast 'ring lap everyone just says you cheated anyway, just like they're doing for the Perf now. It's not like the 918 didn't have a considerably more spartan fixed roof, and it clearly wasn't running the same EV mode that pooped out after 3 minutes on Sebring.

He's yet to do a 6:30 on slicks.

 

The P1 will just have to settle for being faster everywhere else I guess. How terrible.

 

So Huracan world record lap is fake. Video was sped up.

Pathetic by VAG.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhpbHUPLbKY

 

He presents a pretty strong case.

 

Not IMO he doesn't. He's looking at the wrong speedo:

Hmm, on the official lambo video, can anyone see both the fake speedo and the actual dashboard speedo? Because if you see that white line on the actual speedo, thats the true tacho. It seems to move quite a bit slower than the one on the left. Let me know what you think?

 

wrong speedo?

 

The tacho on the left. The big one he's looking at, not the car's actual one.

 

How's it wrong to look at the giant tach lambo edited into their own video? That's the one I'd be basing my calculations on. If you can't trust that thing (obviously its not 100% but it should be close) then why trust the time or any other part of the video?

 

Ok then, how about this: go back and check out the SV's lap time, and see how the fake tacho is off the pace of the real one. I can't get the word for it right now, but I think its uncalibrated?
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I understand what you're saying, but it's still a lambo provided video with a tach that was edited in by lambo. They could have just put a camera directly onto the actual speedo and filmed it. I'm sure, in a video that's basically marketing material, the tach they edited in is even more to the positive for the Huracan than the cars speedo.

 

That would have made things a lot easier to understand. But then theres the problem of lambo's speedo being about 10kph higher than what it actually is. So, I dont know anymore...

 

Whoopsy,
I believe you have both Huracan and 918. What kind of jump in performance would Huracan require to get to 918 level? In other word do you believe a new Huracan could beat a 918 on the track? And I don’t mean a camouflaged factory one, but a customer car.

 

Alright,when you don't like the result conspiracy theories begin.This isn't something new.Like we had here with Salomondrin test.

 

Haha you've had enough huh? Join the club my friend.

 

the thing your forgetting is that we don't have any mclaren factory lap on the ring which we can use as a measuring stick to see how far away the supertest lap was

lets say Mclaren provided the P1 for a supertest it would have to beat 7:13 in order to have some sort of confirmation of being faster than the 918 around the ring

your not using my logic, you lack both a claim and a manufacturer laptime which you can compare up against the supertest (for some reason saurma did 7:35 in a 650S, usually the faster cars produce faster laptimes than the ones they were based off)

6:33 dubunked as inspiration by mclaren themselves
6:47 unconfirmed, rumoured to be sector-by-sector
6:55 calculated with the average speed mclaren has given
7:04 unofficial

and now for the LFA:
7:14 confirmed NE
7:23 claimed standard
7:34 confirmed supertest NE
7:38 confirmed standard

 

Heh, you know what, I was going to give up, but then i clicked on the link. The video he's using, isn't even the official lap. Its the 7:00 minute lap, not the actual lap. He's either doing some trickery, to flat-out lying.

 

He uses the 7min lap because the 6:57 doesn't show the speed readout. He's not using the optimal Porsche lap is what he is saying. Aka the speed differences can be even greater had the record lap video shown the vbox

Dunno if I agree with the video but interesting