Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Anyone know anything about this? Know what happened to it?
https://www.motorsport.com/automotive/news/laferrari-set-for-bathurst-laps-867783/

 

You know the best part, one of the 2 drivers that he keeps going on about in order to support his case, sought my advise with regard to Rubber, Set up and TPs on his own 91RS. Lol.

I have a seen LT and 12c Drivers for that matter ruin a set of Trofeos on one day. My 91RS has done well over 30 track days. On its 4 Set of Rubber.

The new Cups on the 91RS are about 20% more sticky than the ones on say my 997 4.0RS. But they are a very long way from the Trofeo Rs, with regard to lateral grip.

One of my Friends tracks his LT a lot, as an exercise he put Cups on to his LT, he was and average 2.3 Secs slower than his times on Trofeos. But he did get around 4 days form the Cups, as apposed to the 1 -2 from his Trs.

 

So how do you explain.

1. Porsche and Viper owners in 2012 likening Corsas Systems to Cup+ in terms of grip.

2. Cup 2 being 2s faster than Cup+ on two same day tests on Jerez and Aragon.

3. Two GT Open drivers who own all 3 saying Cup 2s are much better than Corsas Systems and only marginally slower than Cup 2s for a short period.

Lateral grip, what about longitudinal grip? Were these drivers flat out on the limit under brakes as well as in the corners? Same day laps?

Why has this P1 driver fitted 245/305 Cup 2s instead of Corsas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVO3pfMwTyc&t=670s

Why does Ferrari use Cup 2s on its 488? Why does Ford use them on the GT? Why does Koenigsegg use them? Why does Porsche use them? Why does the AMG GTR use them? Why does the Z06 use them? Only a few Italian manufacturers and McLaren, who's bound by F1, use Pirelli. Yet you think Cup 2s are the same as Corsas? Yeah, right. And the Trofeo Rs weren't even 2.3s faster than Corsas at Portimao on the same day, yet you think they're 2.3s faster than a tyre which every manufacturer has flocked to for the last 3 years. I've shown proof of point 3 above, where is your proof that this LT driver found this? And in any case, they were stock Cup 2s, not bespoke ones. The AMG GTR's faster bespoke Cup 2s are 1s/minute faster than its slower option Cup 2s. The 991 GT3 RS's Cup 2s are 20% stickier than those on the GT3 - Andreas Preuninger.

 

Yes I would agree with AP the 21" Cups on my 91RS are around 20% more Sticky than the 20" ones on my 4.0RS and 991GT3. If you put the two side by side you can feel the different texture in the rubber. The 91RS ones are also a bit better in the wet also....

I never said the Cups on the 91RS are same as the standard Corsa, on the likes of 650s etc. You did. I rate the Cups on the 91RS to be above the standard Corsa like on a 650s, but not in the same conversation as the Trofeo Rs.

The Cups that my friend put on his LT Last Nov are the same compound/type as the 21" ones that are on the 91RS, (that you call bespoke )they came in with the 991 R last June. Before then the 20" Cups had the 20% less sticky rubber, like on the 91GT3 that AP talked about...

My 488 never came on Cups, it had Pzeros on?

Just to be clear. The Trofeo R has grip levels on track that no other tyre can match.

 

Why all of this tire talk from the sour grapes P3 crowd? I thought the P3 was supposed to be the fastest road legal car ever built - by a HUGE margin no less. I also thought it would beat any steer legal car on the planet even wearing uniroyals(or any other generic tire of your choice). The P3 crowd really has no shame...your real beef is with RD and McLaren...stop misplacing your anger and place the blame where it belongs.

 

Why all this talk from your 1-lap-only-got beaten-by-a-Huracan-on-ring-and-Balocco, conspiracy theory 918 crowd? By the way, have you found the Blair witch hiding in the trees on the Performante lap yet?

Let's put this simply.

1. If you don't track cars, speed for 1 lap means nothing.

2. If you do track cars, speed for 1 lap means nothing.

Hence, it means nothing. The 918 can't stay ahead on track days, and that's all that matters in the real world.

Also, look at how long the battery lasts in this video - 6+ minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV8aNwEBPTQ

Now look at the speeds on Ulmann straight at Sebring on laps 1 and 2 (after 3 minutes). 163mph vs 148mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtXJJEbAGg

Now look at the peak speed the 918 makes on straights (not main straight, I think that was pre-production speed limiter) at Laguna in first and second 918 test. 4-5mph difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg1fY1fVYNk&t=3660s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnTZKvX5jg&t=516s

On top of this 918 owners report 60-130mph times significantly quicker than C&D's figures. 5.1-5.2s vs 5.7s. Wow, gained 10% more power somehow. For free?
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-10.html#post538986
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-9.html#post533562
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/the-2015-porsche-918-spyder-is-the-quickest-road-car-in-the-world-feature-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-2

This test Sport Auto did in late 2014, P1 against pre-production 918 that ran the 'ring lap. No times were ever released, then 918 got faster but battery didn't last as long.
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vergleichstest/porsche-918-spyder-gegen-mclaren-p1-887-und-916-ps-fuer-den-legendenstatus-8893152.html

Put bluntly, the 918 magazines tested from 2015 onwards did not have the same Hot Lap Mode calibration as the 'ring car. So it may well be faster than the Performante in magazine laps, but who gives a damn when you can only run flat out in Hot Lap Mode for 2-3 minutes on a track day before a recharge lap (unless you constantly have to slow for traffic)? It's Porsche that conned people not Lamborghini. JFC, they were probably recalibrating HL Mode individually for each test.

 

Sport, you forgot to mention in both scenarios that 1 lap speed means nothing only when P3 is slower for said 1 lap and loses head to head. LOLOLOL

Even your "friends" at Mclife think you're a complete tool as well. I was disappointed there were no new Trump tweets this morning, but you're continual BS easily makes up for it. Thanks Sport!!
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How can this be, actual owner's agreeing with me. Lol
This what I have been trying to tell him, but for some reason he knows better....
After that fake cert he put up, says it all for me......

 

Apolo, this brings up something you touched on in an earlier posting. The record setting Lambo used custom developed Trofeo R tires designed specifically for the record attempt.

If that is true, and those tires are simply not available for customer cars, how can that be considered a production car and thus eligible for the record? I imagine that the specially designed Trofeo was nothing more than cut slicks with a Trofeo R logo which would be illegal on the road, and therefore will never be made available to customers.

I suppose there is no formal regulatory body that governs production car records, but it certainly goes to show how some manufacturers will do just about anything for marketing purposes.

 

Did he post up an engineering Cert claiming to be his own? I block all of this posts so i can't see....

 

Yep, and then 30 secs later someone else put up the same cert, with different details..
Classic. Had enough of him. I could hole his P3 below the waterline, but out of respect for my P3 owner friends...
He's now on my ignore list.....

 

Somehow, I suspect that Lambo wont be the first or the last.......Just that they got caught...
Imv

 

That proves nothing regardless if the form is real or not lol. I employee two professional engineers who are both LEED certified. I could easily white their names out and pass their certifications as my own (but I wouldn't because I have zero to prove to anyone here because I don't make outlandish claims requiring me to scramble and lie to prove my credentials).

 

No, it doesn't matter because nobody runs just 1 lap on a track day. Pay for track day, run 1 lap, go home? Don't think so.

Here's what they say about Cup 2s, Corsas and Trofeo Rs. And they own multiple Porsches, Ferraris and McLarens and are decent drivers too, which actually makes a difference. With people who drive at 85%, opinions on tyres are meaningless.

1. Corsa - Crap, in short. Way slower than Cup 2. Use of LaFerrari regarded as intentionally ruining.

2. Cup 2 - Best road tyres, marginally slower than Trofeo R for 2-3 laps.

3. Trofeo Rs - Short living, marginally better pace over Cup 2s doesn't last long.

4. P1 fastest on track days.

5. 918 weight serious handicap on track days.
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You mean the fake cert I reposted with my username on it after a request for verification?

BTW, any videos of braking a GT3 RS at the 80m marker on Hangar Straight yet, or even a picture of this 80m marker? Or was it a typo? Missing '1' maybe or something.

 

OMG!

Furthermore.

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Lemme add to your list Sport

6. P3 serious handicap at Nring, proven by lack of any video evidence of time. Despite claiming to be fastest track car in the world

7. When P3 loses in a shootout, claim one lap times is pointless.

8. Trofeo R faster than cup 2.

9. Nobody likes you, including people at Mclife. Probably because you paint such a desperate image of the brand...good job sport!!

10. You have no experience

 

So it seems as if every single person who has driven the same car with both Trofeo R's and Cup2's and actually timed their laps all prove that the Trofeo's are faster, by quite a big margin in every case as well.
That comment by Lukeylikey is so good btw.

It's also fantastic (well not really..) to see lie-ven continuing to argue against the trofeo's being faster than the cup2's by comparing the cup2's to the.....corsa's. Dynamite stuff, really.

 

The statement was 20% stickier than the Cup 2s on the 991 GT3.

Well there's ~1s/minute between Corsas and Trofeo Rs based on CH's Portimao runs in the P1 (same day). Not that much space between them.

The 488 was first advertised with Cup 2s. But again, Italian company with Italian tyre manufacturer.

No other tyre? Really? Not even V720 ACRs or R888Rs? And what of the faster Cup 2 option on the AMG GTR? You know the one with which a 370hp/ton car beat the 918's Sport Auto record by 2s.

What you probably fail to account for is braking performance. This is probably why better drivers, who actually fully exploit the braking potential find Cup 2s to be very close to Trofeo Rs. Then you have contact patch stability, which also aids control. It's really not as simple as half-arsing it around a track, and only approaching the limit during cornering.

 

LOLOL he's such a character that Sport.

Even the pictures he posts they claim the Trofeo is faster.

I'm sure his argument will morph into Trofeo is only faster for 2 laps so what's the point?

 

One of the quotes above refers to you and your internet wisdom.

 

Maybe we should get the head of Lamborghini to run our F1 team if we want a fast Ferrari this year

 

Don't you mean Whoopsy reposted it after completely failing to understand how CoG height contributes to weight transfer.

Then I posted this.
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145252764-post21998.html

 

P1 uses same EV power delivery calibration for all tracks unlike the 91-recalibrate.

Single lap times are irrelevant if you can only do one flat out before recharging.

Slightly faster, not much.

You have no facts to offer.

 

Nope.
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145254886-post22014.html