Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

They say slightly faster, but not obviously. And the idea that they're 'way faster' is false.

 

Despite all the P3 talk though, from speaking to owners, the P1 feels insanely quick and is very fun to drive. Even if it not world beating as far as lap times go, who freaking cares. It's a car. "Sport", as you call him, doesn't seem to grasp that.

 

P3 has no proof of ring time. Fact

Trofeo R faster than Cup 2. Fact. Slightly, marginally, faster are all relative

You are universally disliked. Fact

You have no experience. Fact

LOLOLOL you want anymore facts Sport???

 

I agree, I think only superfans who have never driven or been in any of these cars only care abut lap times because that's how they measure which is better. I liked the P1 until I started reading all this BS. I'm sure p1 owners can't stand him.

 

I'm sure. They bought a car that's quicker than a Veyron SS once it hooks up, yet is a 3400 lb hybrid capable of running 6 miles on electric mode alone and instead of focusing on how awesome that is we have some idiots 3 years later arguing over a few seconds here and there on some tracks they've never driven anywhere but Forza....

 

No but the LT whoops an SV everywhere and the P1's battery last 3 times as long as the production 918's.

Not really. 'Way faster' would be 1s/minute or more. Marginally is a few tenths.

Really, even in the Alpha Centauri system?

You have no facts, fact.

Show us a customer 918 running a sub-7 minute 'ring lap with battery charge telemetry.

 

Agreed.

By lap times
918>CGT
Laferrari>Enzo>F40>F50
P1>F1
918>P1>=Laferrari
But as a better car and as a drivers car
CGT>918
Laferrari>F50>F40>Enzo
F1>>>P1
P1>Laferrari>918

 

As a road car:

918 > LaF > P1

As a track car/track day pace:

P1 > LaF > 918

 

Will happily do so Sport if you can disprove any of my facts.

1. P1 can't get it done at the Ring. Video of P1 doing 6:33 or 6:47 at Ring, video of LT beating SV's 6:59 will even suffice b/c I like you so much Sport.

2. Trofeo faster than Cup 2. Tire test showing the Cup 2 being faster than Trofeo. I never said "way faster"

3. You are universally disliked. Picture of you with real human friends. Animals, cardboard cutouts, blowup dolls do not count.

4. You have no experience. Picture or Video of you driving/riding in a P1/LAF/918 at a racetrack. Picture or Video of you driving any vehicle at a racetrack. Forza/Grand Turismo/Iracing are not valid.

LOLOLOL

 

You mean the quotes where you and A West agree with me that the TrofeoR's are faster than the Cup2's? Yes I saw that and that's so kind of you to point out, thank you.
Too bad though that it has nothing to do with me making fun of you comparing (YET AGAIN) the Cup2's to tires which aren't TrofeoR's while replying to a post about a comparision of the Cup2's and TrofeoR's.

Btw, that quote about my "internet wisdom" applies to you just as well numbnuts.. the difference is that I immediately admitted it to be true unlike you who just keep putting your fingers in your ears and pretends that it's raining when people call you out on it.


Didn't I put you on my ignore list btw?..

 

Thanks for show providing a pic to show how badly a P1's Cg is placed at.

That little note about me with a cert in the background? It would only take a couple minutes for anyone to print out a fake cert on the internet and then write a note. Nice try though.

Sorry, don't have a lot of time to play you you lately, in Finland right now ice driving with Porsche!

Maybe I will see you in Geneva after?

Nah, on second thought, you hate me so much you will likely beat me to death in real life.
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Customer 918 can only make it half way around the 'ring before battery dies.

 

But not 'way faster'. As in a few tenths faster. And Corsas are way slower.

 

Dude you lost, it's over. CoG height is measured from the ground, not the axle. Annotating a diagram does not change the fact you were wrong and proved yourself to be a little dim in the process.

 

Think about how bad the 918 would have whooped the other twos ass if Porsche had taken a different approach with the car. Didn't care about interior or fuel efficiency and instead went after same power train with 200 poiunds less weight, stickier tires and more downforce. Yikes.

 

Think about if production cars had the same EV power in HL mode as the 'ring car.

 

the nurburgring is pretty much the only track that can drain a 918s battery given that it can regenerate better and last longer than the P1

 

Yep, which makes the LaF the best all-rounder....

 

It's looking more and more like the actual F1 PU is going into the road car. From TG:

“It’s pure F1 technology,” Moers tells us. “It’s a 1.6-litre engine, it still revs to 11,000rpm, but idles at 1,280rpm. All the electric components are from F1 - the crank motor, the split turbo, the front axle is driven by electric motors. Even the battery cells are F1, the most expensive cells on the planet.”

 

Fchatters, does this article seem like ferrari is going soft to you compared to the competition?
Ferrari: 'Ring records and F1-engined road cars aren?t for us* | Top Gear

 

No, they are actually going their own way and they have been at the top of their game for decades now. They know what they are doing.

 

Agreed Laptimes are silly Ferrari has risen above that nonsense.

 

As long as there are race cars, lap times will be important.

How do you 'rise above' motorsport? How do you suggest that such things are irrelevant. I guess you want to be a Rolls or Bentley and ride in luxury instead of performance.

 

We're talking apples and oranges. Lap times matter for F1. I fail to see how they're relevant for a road going hyper GT car.

 

Neither the LaFerrari, P-1 or 918 is a GT car. They are sports cars. Granted each is a hyper car, but 'hyper GT' is not appropriate. I am not even sure I have heard 'hyper GT.' Unless, of course you are referring to the GT class of sports car racing, in which case lap times are certainly relevant.

How about a different question . . . by what metric or metrics do you measure the hypercars? Speed, quickness, handling, drag, etc. All are best measured together in lap times.

Back to your statement . . . of course lap times are relevant. I can understand if you want to de-emphasize lap times, but to suggest that lap times are irrelevant is a little much.