The Official Ferrari 812 SUPERFAST pictures thread

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Well said


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its pretty simple really for any of us romantic Ferraristas, either Ferrari has to change direction or we do. Ferrari wont.

Regretfully, I suspect where I am headed.

 

The 812 will be loved...even by most, here.

Though I very seldom post, I have been a member of FerrariChat for nearly 14 years. I'm on the site almost every day to keep in touch, through reading, with those who share my passion for all things Ferrari. With that said, I'll make a few observations which I believe are soundly based on history, as seen through posts on this site. First, if you come to FerrariChat in hopes of finding a bunch of Kool-aid drinkers, believing Ferrari can do no wrong, you've come to the wrong place. Though there are those who maintain that perspective on the site, I would say the majority of FerrariChat members are the most critical Ferrari fans with whom I've ever been associated. This, I believe is based on some idea that we as Ferrari lovers have some better understanding of what a Ferrari should be than Ferrari itself. As absurd as it sounds, that sentiment can be identified in countless posts. I'm not faulting that belief, as I sometimes suffer it, too, but it is based on, as a previous poster noted, a romantic notion of Ferrari past. As to the 812, the negative comments (some not undeserved, I'm sure) are no different than all of the negative comments on FerrariChat about virtually EVERY new Ferrari that has appeared in the past 14 years. The 360 was out at that point, but so many hated its nose, referring to it as a platypus. When the 599 was introduced, this site went ablaze with disdain for the factory photos, hating the pentagram wheels, its rear end, its funky front bumper, its overall size, and its name, which people thought sounded like the price of some cheap product at a discount store. There's no point in discussing the negativity toward the too-long, oddly styled 612, as it was described at the time. Then comes the 458. Pages of posters disgusted by its gaping mouth and weird whisker spoilers. And no one could quite figure out if they liked the 3 exhaust pipes in the center - something TOTALLY not Ferrari. Oh, I failed to mention the single tail lights that were now a new Ferrari staple, having appeared on the 599 as well. People were infuriated by this. How could Ferrari step away from the double-light (quad) format? What idiots they must be?! Anyway, to continue, the California arrives on the scene, and it is lambasted for being too busy, too feminine, and too cheap. Why even bother talking about FerrariChat's initial opinion of the FF. Ferrari designers might as well have been headed by the antichrist at that point. Now, the 488 has garish gashes on its side, the LaFerrari is stupidly named and looks overly technical and not elegant, and this poor 812 is suffering all that you've read in the past 50 something pages of posts. Yes, this is FerrariChat, not FerrariHate, but for those who want to find universal support for Ferrari's every move, you won't find it here. But let me promise you what you will find: Stick around for a couple of years, and like EVERY car I mentioned above, the criticism on FerrariChat will have softened, their designs will have somehow become the new, accepted beautiful and genius, and the new kid on the block will be the one subject to all the scrutiny, hand-wringing, and thoughts of Ferrari's questionable design strategy, while all will reminisce about how great things were when the car we disliked 10 years ago was introduced. Trust me. This happens EVERY time.

 

Regarding the earlier discussion of the rear window recess:
It was present in the aerodynamics promotional video.
I noticed it in the animation and wondered how it looked
Thanks for the images, Honken. Makes more sense
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As far as the 812's rear, like others, I find it incredibly busy and complicated looking in some photos, but then, there are a few photos out there where it seems to make perfect sense. I think the big problem from the photographs is the inability to fully grasp/capture the correct perspective, ie, its actual width and heighth. It's definitely a car that will need to be seen in person to be fully appreciated. I do love the front and sides.

 

+1 Well said

 

Yes, you've nailed it nearly perfectly (as always)! And in an interview Manzoni says that a Ferrari must look like the Sydney Opera House! A building that has inspired him since childhood.

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Cutting cost is one side of the medal, the other is that very many things can be replaced by something of better quality. Obviously for more! So I am not that surprised. The critic then comes down to those things which can't be changed.

 

Thank you Marcel for the Fantastic pictures!

This vehicle is simply Out of Bounds...and looks incredible! ...and I'm sure it will look even more incredible in person.

Marco.

 

......The two are nothing close!

Marco.

 

It (rear) almost looks like an aftermarket body kit stuck on. Appearance a real miss for my tastes.

 

On behalf of Fchat, I wish you would post more often, sir.
Incredibly well said. I remember despising the 458...and I ended up owning two!
(Rear of the 812sf is still botched IMO, but I agree in a few years I will like it).

 

Thank you for the kind words, sir. Maybe I'll start chiming in more often. It makes sense to do so, as I've followed this site for so long, many of you almost seem like friends (and it's always good to talk with friends)! Ferraris are certainly a passion to be shared!

 

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No doubt you are correct.
I do feel though there is a point where design may be subverted too much for technological progress; speed, handling, aero, etc. However, at some point we won't need any further speed and aero because the cars are already too fast for road conditions, and even the drivers' abilities. Those subversions then just bow down to meaningless bragging rights between fans of different marques and serve no further purpose than that.
As we approach that asymptote the purity of lines takes a higher precedence for me.
My F12 already goes 211mph...already does 0-60 in ~3.1 sec...already will land me in jail or a courtroom faster than you can say "sorry."
It is true we, or most of us here, are not Ferrari insiders...but to each of us Ferrari means something and as such we have the right to say what Ferrari means to us and can comment on whether or not we agree with current directions vs. romance about the past.
It is all good, and all fun.
Luckily for us many here have the means to buy new or choose to buy older models.

 

That thought is one which I believe will drive car design toward the purity and beauty we all desire. There's only so fast a car can go, and so perfectly it can perform, before beauty of design becomes THE factor which separates it from another. Because of the great technological leaps seen, today, that are shared amongst several competitors, GREAT car performance is becoming the norm. When it becomes ludicrously exceptional, looks will be the primary discriminator. With that said, the best is yet to come: Cars with impossibly mind-boggling performance with break-your-heart good looks!!

 

Well, all tastes being subjective I'd stick with my vote. I like the overall aggressive vibe of the car, but I still say they could have presented a cleaner rear end and maintained that.

I agree that from any other angle, I'd prefer the looks of the 812 to the Cali or the F12, but that's how much I hate the rear of this design. Based on the rear end alone, I'd take an F12 or Cali vs the new 812.

 

You make a fair point, and some will grow to love the looks of the car who were initially rubbed the wrong way by it. However, the flip side to that is that they will simply acclimate, which is not praise for the car's design, but simply a fact of human nature. If you started selling pillows made out of concrete, humans would eventually acclimate to those as well, but that doesn't mean they were a good idea.

That said, I drive a Mondial (which I love the quirky design of), and have an overall fondness for the often maligned 4 seater Ferrari's. So what do I know? Haha.

 

As a Mondial owner I take great exception to that! Our rear ends look much sexier than the 812's does.

I agree. It's a turn toward the crassness found in ostentatious design that appeals to the demographics you list (although i think you meant rappers not rapers!). There is a difference between aggressive and tacky.

 

+2!

 

After watching the official vid I think it is spectacular. When you see it in motion it comes together really well. Really aggressive yet really classy with some design cues that will age very well. If you just focus on one design cue and not see the the car as a whole than I think psychologically you will be at war with your past interpretation of what a Ferrari "should" be and what the future inevitably moves on to. I think the historical colours will suit it spectacularly not to completely break ties with past Ferraris.

 

Tim you couldn't put it any simpler, if Ferrari cars and the brand one day eventually decide to subvert their singularity, identity and historical references, becoming something which is so apart from what has made many of us Ferraristas, we will have to accept this fact as being the end of a glorious era which lasted many decades and was certainly unique in the sports cars industry. Should that day arrive, I sincerely hope not, we still have the cars we love as the live proof of what a Ferrari was and should have been and this something no one can take away from us.

 

I remember inspecting a pre-production F12 that was doing the global circuit after its reveal and there were several flimsy trim items and even one piece of the under dash trim that fell off while I was sitting in the car! So I think to be fair let's wait to see the final production cars.

 

My new effort to appreciate all aspects of the 812 and to reprogramme my eye is to try to forget the F12b ever existed and so how would I react if this car was produced as a clean sheet design, a major leap, not an evolution.