I thought it might be interesting to discuss the new innovations. I made some screen grabs of the videos for discussion purposes... Image Unavailable, Please Login
1. Torque. The F12b has ever so slightly more lower torque, but I doubt we would notice it. However, the torque keeps rising with RPMS until a little over 7,000. I think this is remarkable as usually the torque peaks and then falls earlier. This is 1,000 RPM better than the F12b. I think this means you will feel a relentless surge of power.. 2. HP. And as the torque falls off, the HP just keeps throwing you forward. Again, remarkable. I can just imagine how this would feel, like the F12b, but even more so. Its almost unbelievable that there is so much power and you can feel it building as you rev the motor. Most motors are tuned for daily torque and then they fall off. The F12's V12 isn't your typical motor and this is another step above that! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Exactly as we would have expected. Hard to believe there is room for this much improvement, but apparently the numbers say its there. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Here we have something really fascinating. Notice they highlight the EPS (electric power steering) and the SSC (slide slip control hardware of e-diff, rear steer, F1 Trac). If I understand this correctly, they are using the electronics to send you a hint via heavier steering feel that you are getting closer and closer to the edge of adhesion. Im very curious to see how this is received. It sounds like the kind of thing that will benefit novices but the seasoned drivers might not like it (maybe only at first). And have a look, for oversteering they are hinting they can help you out- perhaps by slightly adjusting the steering to get the desired result?! Another thing that would probably upset purists, but benefit average drivers. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
The entire aero package is fascinating. This isnt a pass through as we suspected- rather its a kind of Venturi, where the air pools and perhaps this helps to pull air down to this location and then pass it along the rear, thus creating downforce. A kind of passive aero device. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thanks for this thread. The 812 (really should be 712 on this side) has continuously variable intakes. This is something that only the Laf has and a distinct improvement over the tdf. The video also says that 75% of the engine is new. I really like what I see here. It may only have 57 more hp than F12B but I bet you can feel it especially with the new gear ratios and increased torque from 6K to 7K. IMO there's enough headroom in this engine for the Special version to be mind blowing.
Now if Lambo can claim the Huracan Performante has the new Ring record, the 812 should smash it to pieces with it's similar aero designs and increased power output...... as suspected the design of the 812 is indeed a form follows function aproach. The vents and ducts are there for a reason. Some might argue they make the design more tacky, but this is progress on a performance level. Does anyone actually believe the Lambo's Ring time!?
Even more race engine inspired performance. This will add even more drama when pushing the 812. Making it not only feel faster ad you push it, it actually does go faster. How cool is that! Torque climbing equally with hp is an impressive technical feat.
It is truly hard to believe that there was ANY room for improvement over the F12B but I guess the Maranello boys found it and really applied their advance at every significant level...torque, power and aerodynamics. Having said all of that I still love with my F12B. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I think those pictures are very interesting, but then again I also thought the same of the aerobridge too.
How convenient, every aero-gadget in the 812 increases downforce and reduces drag Most often than not, in reality, the increase of downforce comes at the cost of an increased drag. I'm definitely not buying the rear arch by-pass, I'm sure the aero effect of this is close to zero. And what about the rear spoiler drawing, so convenient also, are we supposed to believe the air does that, actually? Vanes, front opening ducts and diffuser, yes, I buy their functionality, but the rest...
You're welcome. Videos: Note to Ferrari, I could not find these videos on your official channel; otherwise I would have posted the links. Heres where I found the following 812 Superfast Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXU2VYwZWBM A quick note- some people pointed out how absurd it seems that he is out running a rain storm and then a massive wave; but after watching this a few times (I'm too eager to see the car than think about story) its clear to me he is sitting in the car and either imagining that it is so powerful it can do all those "heroic" things, OR, he is somehow teleporting to another dimension (the 12th?!) where he can then do those things... Notice how you see the sky tear apart a little before and after?? It reminds me a little about a new show on TV called "Legion". Anyway, putting that aside, the car looks so much better to me when its in motion than the pictures so far and the sound is superb! I like that they cast Clive Owen in there. I think he was great in other car based features. So welcome to the 12th Dimension... no pesky V8s here! Engine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkc2PYCtQA4 Aerodynamics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI2sixAADzQ Vehicle Dynamics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1z5KvJ2Wv8
Excellent topic! Thank you Caeruleus11! This is what makes the 812 (and every Ferrari) great, not the mellow design or the soft leather inside.
I guess my question is: if their design brief says sacrifice some elegance to beef up the aero and technology for high-speed performance, costing north of $400K in the process, will it circle a track faster than a $100K Corvette Z06? I'm guessing it won't. Design, beauty, materials do matter.
Well you have to say they have managed to keep to one tenet of LDM's ,which was no wing, by creating an almost virtual rear wing. I wonder when that will also be dumped in the search for ever more downforce? Thanks for posting and whilst clearly I am no aerodynamicist, but does any of this appear really ground breaking and do we have any figures to compare?
The electric steering could be a game changer. Maybe the steering will get some more road feel back. -F
