Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I never said that subtracting GP times from NS will give accurate time.It us just the people I mentioned who claimed that directly or indirectly.

 

JFC, it's already been verified by Pirelli and Racelogic.

Where's the g meter. Where's the ****ing g-meter on Porsche's lap?

The corner speeds are either lower or slightly better than Sport Auto made with the AMG GTR. So if Lamborghini cheated, so did Mercedes and Sport Auto.

 

Well the funny thing is that he refutes his own claim in this video. He said any car on road tyres is 30s quicker on race tyres. His car on race tyres has done no better than 6:30, therefore by his own logic, it can't do the time he claimed on road tyres. Hence, he just called himself a bull****ter.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/videos/jim-glickenhaus-is-cynical-of-lamborghini-performante-record/

His car in race trim hasn't even done a 6:2X lap, even measuring NS+GP-GP. He just made that up. As for Koenigsegg's claim, all they did was crash.

 

I was under the impression the race car suffers from having a 100kg weight in the car + reduced HP

The implication was this would make up some/most of the time lost by having non-race tyres?

 

Koenigsegg always makes outrageous claims for their car and when it is tested by a magazine it never reaches close to the claim.CCR was tested by AMS Sweden and it only did 11.2s vs 9s claim by manufacturer.Around Mantorp it only matched the time by C6 ZO6.
http://www.automotorsport.se/biltester/2006/0615/061501.pdf

The scan for CCR was found by browsing wiki.
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/145713811@N04/sets/72157671486247064/

Nonetheless Agera One looks much better than P1 which is basically an MP4 on steroids.So if people doubt his claims, it is his own fault and I don't believe his 6:40 for ring time just like I don't believe 6:47 for P1.

Your logic for ring time of SCG has errors.The racing version only has 500hp while road version has more power and lesser weight.The time speculated NS+GP lap is just like bmagni and I said inaccurate.

 

So you think an LP640Perf is faster than a P1?

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Pa_qt8_M8

Ksegg reliability lol.

 

It was a loose radiator clamp, hardly the downfall of a manufacturers reliability standards. He drove that car with winter tires through the Swiss alps down to Geneva as well, so it's being properly used.

 

New agera diesel lol

 

Well it's essentially a Mustang engine packing 1100+hp. Although in fairness, the Mustang engine is probably one of the better picks for such a purpose.

 

Maybe white smoke id agree with you. But black smoke is worse. Thats a problem with the fuel management system or something along those lines and yes that's a manufacturer issue. And driving your $3mm car in the snow for a few days shouldn't break the engine lol!

 

AFAIK it's an in house developed engine, unrelated to the Ford V8.

 

Whatever it is is heavily based on the Ford V8. They started with the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koenigsegg_CC8S

The CCR also used it. The CCX used a new aluminium V8 but it's very much based on that design, hence why it uses a 90-deg crank, rather than a flat crank, which would be better suited to high revs.

 

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/british/540391-mclaren-720s-2017-a-18.html#post145263628

 

I know, older actually. It was developed by TWR for Nissan. Very reliable even at extreme power levels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ECE3oT-Z8

 

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I don't know but we will see when it is tested on other tracks.If you are talking about the ring time,yes, it is faster.Calculating from average speed it only did 6:55 which can be easily beaten by 918 Spyder with production version.

 

If you research the average speed quote you'll find it's a miscalculation based on the required speed for a sub-7 minute lap.

McLaren P1 completes sub-seven-minute 'Ring run, celebrates with awesome vid - Autoblog

They used 20.8km instead of 20.6km.

The Performante won't be faster anywhere, least of all a high speed track like the 'ring.

 

If thats the case,then I was wrong.Maybe 7:0X was the time P1 clocked during the run like people here claimed.It is slower than I expected.That makes it more slower than Performante at ring.Not that I doubt about sub 7 capability of P1 with Trofeos.But I definitely can't believe the 6:47 lap time.

How do you know Performante will be slower than P1 on fast tracks.The car during the run had tonnes of Mechanical grip,almost like slick tires.Given the claim of 720S being faster than P1 by Mclaren,given the time gap between the year of production,I won't be surprised if it is faster.We will see about the relevance of lap time after it completes lap times in other circuits.

Given that you haven't driven any one of them like most of us,you can't be sure that Car A is definitely faster than Car B.All we can do is compare lap times by magazines to add to that we can't really tell what's behind the scenes in production of their lap time.It could be case like Apolo1,AnotherDunneDeal said in this or other forums.We just don't know.

 

Or maybe that 7:0X was yet another 'typo' by Whoopsy. Like his 'typo' about relevant CoG height being measured from the axle.

Why not? It's not like an Aventador SV is even nearly as fast as a P1 or LT and that ran 6:59.

New Pirelli semi-slick is all. Why else would it have massive grip?

It's fundamentally obvious to me.

 

Repost?

Why Skeptics Doubted Lamborghini's Nurburgring Record, And How Lambo Proved Itself

 

You have to take into account that there was over 1000 posts of crap from Lieven/Mycroft/LMFAO and then another 4000+ posts from everyone else telling him he is wrong and lying.

He is the most epic internet troll in the history of the internet.

King of trolls.

 

How about some Ferrari content for once in this thread?
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Some info on the new Mercedes Hypercar and then my thoughts:

"Starting with the engine, the Project One will borrow the same power plant—a 1.6-liter turbocharged V-6 —found in the 2016 Formula One Champion-winning Mercedes W07 car and will sing to the tune of 1,000 ponies and spin to 11,000 rpm, Autocar reports. The Project One's engine won't be some crazy de-tuned engine that vaguely resembles the original F1 engine, either, which is something that Ferrari has done in the past. (Case in point: the F50.) It will be tuned to be bearable on the street, though—Mercedes will lower its idle speed from 4,000 rpm to 1,200 rpm, apparently—but the engine's case and heads will still be F1-spec, along with its energy recovery system.

Regarding the hybrid system, Moers said, "We will have four electric motors—one for each front wheel, one on the crankshaft and one on the engine turbocharger. We will use the same 'performance' battery cells as the F1 cars, which have advantages and limitations; but we will still be able to deliver 30km of EV range. And our target for kerbweight is 1300kg 'DIN.'"


Project One will have F1 power, but that means F1 fragility, too. Apparently, the engine will last around only 31,000 miles before requiring "rework." Moers, in an interview with Motoring, said, "We have an understanding of about 50,000km. This OK for us. I think that’s good enough. That’s the life of the engine. Then we do some rework, like in a race car. But you don’t need an F1 team, you don’t need special gas. You can push the button and it fires up."

Because no dual-clutch transmission can cope with such high engine speeds, Mercedes-AMG will fit an automated manual transmission that, like an F1 car, will require a clutch pedal to initially get the car moving. Moers said, "I can tell you we will be using an 'AMT' (automated manual transmission) because there's no twin-clutch gearbox capable of working with an engine that revs to 11,000rpm."

Moers confirmed that the Project One will be limited to a production run of 275 models globally with no plans to make more. The Project One will be unveiled at the Frankfurt Motor this fall"


My thoughts are that it sounds like this may be too ambitious of a project to really work in road form. Who the hell is going to want to go through a full engine rebuild after 30k miles. Also, if that's how tempermental the engine is, I'm assuming it's going to give TONS of issues before the 30k mile marker as well.

On the transmission, I don't think customers will like that. Part of the success of the P1/LAF/918 was that despite the complicated technology they behaved more or less like normal cars. An owner could engage LC and just floor it. Money doesn't buy driving skills after all, and for $3 million from factory, I don't think a lot of owners will like getting smoked off the line by much lesser cars because engaging the clutch is difficult with such a high reving engine.

I think what customers want is just a 918/LAF/P1 evo. Just the same principal but lighter, better range, more power, true toque vectoring, better brake feel etc. This and the AMRB Valkyrie may just be too out there, too unusable, and in doing so, will be worse off for it. At this point, if I had $3,000,000 to spend on a hypercar (which I don't) I'd go Chiron or the new Mclaren F1 replacement. Or possibly a P1 if Mclaren holds true to their word on upgrading the entire car.

I could be, and probably am, wrong.

 

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