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Odometer Rollback Scandal

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  1. mechanicservice6

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    Yeah even the x431pro 3 can do maserati thru obd no chip soldering or amything like that

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk
     
  2. albkid

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    I wonder how much interest Florida taxation authorities will have in this suit with regard to the allegation of the use of out-of-state corporate entities for the avoidance of paying state sales tax?

    Since I am unfamiliar with Florida law regarding the purchase and taxation of motor vehicles, I have no idea whether such an allegation would command taxation authorities' interest or not.

    If this is an issue of merit, I would think it would be of much greater interest to law enforcement than some isolated instances of odometer rollbacks on some exotic automobiles.
     
  3. Ferraglia

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    Apart from the odometer question/issue, one thing that pops my mind is, how the fired ex-employee can make such accusations?
    In my job, I am blinded all sides with NDAs and clauses that will avoid me of saying anything that happens inside my work office. They don't keep me of putting it out there but, the penalties are a big put off...
    And what the ex-employee gets from this subject? No job in the industry, that's for sure.... There might be some true within the story, but what it isn't told in the lines, is what matters the most.
     
  4. NeuroBeaker

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    Why is almost every post you've made about the X431 PRO3? One might start to wonder what position you hold in Launch Tech's marketing department.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  5. Jana

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    Clearly, you haven't been around the car industry. They will hire anyone. Seriously. I know people who have snorted cocaine on their boss's desk, were fired, and rehired by someone else a day later. And yes, the new employer knew why they were fired. People bounce around that industry until they quit or have a heart attack.
     
  6. technom3

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    OMG... you must have been or are currently in the car biz. So true. LOL Thanks for the laugh!
     
  7. Ferraglia

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    Really?????
    Gosh....

    When I was working on the retail within the bicycle industry, for a Sales Assistant, paying minimum wage, we would go and call the previous employers and asked them a few questions. Found out one was stealing and got fired, the other was supposed to be working, but he was a regular "no show" with high levels of absence, and, we would never hire those guys.
    But, this only related to the message you want to pass over your clients and customers.
    Don't know the position of the guys you spoke but, if he was in a facing-customer role, that would put me off on hiring him.

    But again, these are my values and my opinion.
    And I would expect if you're in the business of high valued assets (like a Ferrari), you'd be able to hire the best... Not the best addicted to cocaine...
     
  8. UCFJWH

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    In todays age, if someone calls for a reference, all they get is dates of employment. You get sued you start sharing that level of detail.
     
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  9. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    That's been true for a long time.
     
  10. Rosso328

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    Last two companies I have been with had strict 'no reference' policies. I had to lay off a few good people during the downturn of 2008 - 2009, and HR was very quick to remind me "No reference letters, refer any reference calls to us."

    Shame really, as I would have loved to put a good word in for a couple of them.
     
  11. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    We get what we ask for.
     
  12. bberg009

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    What law requires rollback ? (Not trying to be facecios, but have never heard of such law, so please enlighten me...)
     
  13. Jana

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    My husband was for almost 20 years. You hear/see a lot of stuff. :)
     
  14. Zaius

    Zaius Formula Junior

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    LOL!

    Marketing and selling has always been thought of as a very low human activity, its only been elevated in the past few decades as something 'admirable'. Scumbags are heroes.
     
  15. Hoof 365 GT

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    Not very encouraging on mega dollar cars.
    Bad for the company image.
    Ferrari is all about business these days.
     
  16. technom3

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    I believe that what they are referencing is... in some states and perhaps at sometimes throughout the course of time when an odometer failed... You noted the mileage and installed a ZEROd speedo.


    For example... H1 hummers had a MASSIVE issue with this. Go look at an H1 (non alpha) and then look in the drivers door jamb... you will likely see a sticker that says when the odometer was replaced.
     
  17. technom3

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    Its not Ferrari doing the roll backs.

    Its the dealers.

    Ferrari has to provide a way to program odometers.

    It is the dealers that are doing it for nefarious reasons. It doesn't have much to do with the factory.

    This kind of bull**** has been occuring since just after the horse and buggy.

    IF you look into the air plane or equipment industry... guess what... people unplug the hobbs meters.

    This **** goes on in every industry? Why because statistically it is bound to happen. The world has **** heads... They permeate every industry
     
  18. raider1968

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    I heard, don't know if its true, but Bud was replaced by the gm's girlfriend
     
  19. BarryK

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  20. davidoloan

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    I remember lots of new cars had the option to reset the main milage counter to zero before 100 or 200 miles. VW from memory, a few others. This was software built in.

    Others had ways to disable it for any period of time. One german car for example, I won't say its name, you remove the last fuse in the line, and the rev counter (or speedo - can't remember), fuel gauge and mile counter all stop functioning. You could then drive 10,000 miles if you wanted too.

    This particular car has one very desirable model, but I am always very wary of the published mileage when reading the classifieds.
     
  21. tbakowsky

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    When ferrari started using electrical speedometers, these ease of disconnection was simple. Some simply unplugged the sender at the transmission. Others put a switch under the dash which shut the speedo off completely so no mileage was recorded. Switch it on a month before it goes on for service to show some milage, switch it off on the way home.

    My old 308 had this option installed in it whe I bought it. I found it when I was installing a new stereo in it. I had a good chuckle about it and removed it.

    Anyway. Ferrari milage tampering is far more common then most suspect. Every damn car out there seems to have the magic 43k miles on it. It was not until the 360 hit the market did the real milage of ferraris show up. However, even that can be changed now fairly simply without the factory tool.
     
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  22. XSpeed

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    So what happens until the first 10.000km? How does service spot it if the owner reset it or used a freeze utility and then went to service eat 1200km whereas car is driven 15.000?
     
  23. MAPS

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    I guess it must be down to the wear of the usual service parts like brake pads, discs, tires, the colour of the oil/filter (assuming there are no relevant wear issues inside the car like bolster wear, scuffs, steering whell shine, etc).
     
  24. Solid State

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    What is steering whell shine? I'm assuming you mean wheel but I'm still not clear on it.
     

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