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RobzWorkz Special Project: 328/Mondial Fog Light Full Assembly Construction

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  1. bertrand328

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    #26 bertrand328, Dec 21, 2015
    Prodigious !!!
     
  2. thoke

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    #27 thoke, Dec 21, 2015
    Excellent work!
     
  3. piezo

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    #28 piezo, Dec 21, 2015
    Can't imagine anyone ever try to do this! Marvelous!
     
  4. Crowndog

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    #29 Crowndog, Dec 22, 2015
    Fantastic work. Congratulations.


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  5. 430tdf

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    #30 430tdf, Dec 23, 2015
    Amazing work!!!!!
    Please lets us know when you are ready to sell complete units and or parts.
     
  6. Robz328

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    #31 Robz328, Dec 26, 2015
    All,
    For anyone needing repair/improvements/parts...I can probably accommodate presently, even for RH side stuff, since I will be making molds as necessary as planned. Just PM me and copy Rob Lay (he hasn't conferred with me yet on this; business effort is TBD, right now, everything would be hobby support and person-to-person assistance, just like the help provided now). Turn-around is TBD at present.

    Carello name lenses will not be provided since many aftermarkets are already available. I have messages to MagnetiMarelli, who is the chief owner for parts for Carello, through AL-Automotive Lighting to set parameters on criteria to make my versions for others. I expect that I may need to redesign the lenses to facilitate without licensing restrictions. All other parts, I have changed to accommodate new plastic and electrical materials. Please confer with MvT for non-Carello lenses at an excellent price (he supplies Euro and US Mondial fog lenses; I don't know if he supplies 328 lenses yet).

    FYI, I plan to begin making the RH side after finishing Randall's LH Mondial version now in progress.

    Also, FYI, my goal for providing to an owner would be to make a realistic alternative so that OEM fog lights can be removed from the car and stored while my versions would be consumed for use.

    Again, I have not chosen a business model, save for person-to-person help.

    When I benchmark my ability to produce, I will setup a proper business/pricing and work with Rob Lay to make available for FChatters. I am currently conducting "in-car" testing to look for undesired issues at present. I will also need to verify the legal nature for production (IP, hobby-level safety concerns, if any, etc.). Realistically, I would provide to anyone interested at their risk only.

    Also, I am interested in wotking with 80's and 90's Testarossa owners...I think their assemblies are similar enough to warrant an investigation. Please let me know if interest is present.

    Thanks for the replies, all.
     
  7. chris_columbia

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    #32 chris_columbia, Dec 27, 2015
    I don't even have a 328/Mondial, but that is really impressive, especially given the quantity of molds made!
     
  8. Mule

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    #33 Mule, Dec 27, 2015
    Great job, Rob. Again, if you need a RH one for testing or development, let me know.
     
  9. ScuderiaRossa

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    #34 ScuderiaRossa, Dec 28, 2015
    Very, very impressive!
     
  10. Robz328

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    #35 Robz328, Jan 16, 2016
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    Here's a set of opaque plastics parts completed over the holidays to demonstrate turnaround. These were cast within 4 days. The light gray pieces are new versions to reinforce the ball clamping strength. The medium gray signal bezel was cast out of undesired materials to include in the turnaround test; this material deflected during hot water hand washing. Now, I am sourcing newer opaque plastic material to raise the deflection temperature. Recall, I am testing in-car and will measure the heat generated next to the assembly to fine-tune the practical expectations regarding material choices.
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  11. Yo328

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    #36 Yo328, Jan 16, 2016
    Amazing! You are very skilled.
     
  12. AaronMeisner

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    #37 AaronMeisner, Jan 17, 2016
    +1

    Certifiable.
     
  13. Robz328

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    #38 Robz328, Apr 28, 2016
    Update: driven about 150 miles...all still works well.

    I plan to leave the car on a blacktop parking lot during the summer heat to assess the need to refine thermal capabilities; this will be the deal-maker for those living in hotter climates.

    FYI, I deferred continuation until after taxes to spend money on more mold-making materials; I plan to ramp up on the making the other side in June. Also, if the thermal check is unsatisfactory, I will investigate other materials (this is for the body plastic...lens materials are fairly robust).

    Best,
    Rob
     
  14. marklintott

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    #39 marklintott, Apr 28, 2016
    Wow wow wow! OMG this is outstanding. I thought about doing this when I made my glass repros but took one look and figured it was beyond the capability of a home builder. The complexity and number of parts just makes this whole thing astonishing to achieve and your finished product looks fantastic.

    I thought I went to some trouble when making my glass lenses but this is way out there. Must be very satisfying to see the finished piece installed! If I could find a suitable glass factory I could supply you with glass fog light lenses:..!

    Congratulations I am in awe!

    Cheers

    Mark
     
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    #40 antoninosavoca, Apr 29, 2016
    Congratulations, you are an artist!!!!
    ciao
    Antonino
     
  16. furmano

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    #41 furmano, Apr 29, 2016
    Great job Rob!

    -F
     
  17. Robz328

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    #42 Robz328, May 4, 2016
    Mark, Porphy provided me one of your rejects for my 328 fog lens mold.

    It worked well (FYI, the reject was a small defect and did not pose a material threat for the plastic in the mold).
     
  18. Robz328

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    #43 Robz328, May 17, 2016
    Put >200miles and a few hot days on the car since installation. All is still going well. I will be going for >500 miles and the full summer to check ability to withstand normal high heat.

    FYI...this is my 5000th post!
     
  19. Robz328

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    #44 Robz328, Dec 28, 2016
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    Road test is completed: 500+ miles and a hot GA summer with some parking out in the sun (this was one of my bigger concerns).

    I removed and disassembled. Everything was intact with no noticeable deformation. It was difficult to remove the fog lens, which is actually a good thing. I will use less silicone next time. The only real drawback was that the fog lense yellowed; I will be looking into a UV coating during the next phase (completing the Mondial version for porphy). The pic showing two fog lenses discloses the yellowing.

    I reassembled and place back into the car. All good.
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  20. theunissenguido

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    #45 theunissenguido, Dec 28, 2016
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    turned yellow quickly. Only 1 summer. Hopefully a UV treatment will help.
    Other thing : removing OEM fog lens is impossible without breaking it...dont ask how I found out ! That industrial stuff they used is hard as rock and you cannot cut it without cutting the plastic edge inside.

    Keep us informed RobZ !

    Guido
     
  21. Russ Gould

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    #46 Russ Gould, Dec 28, 2016
    It's a shame Ferrari is so avaricious that they fail to provide adequate aftermarket parts support, and when the parts are available they choose to gouge their fans. The incremental cost to produce these from the factory tooling would be less than $100. There are thousands of 328 and Mondials out there that use this lens, and it's a "runner". Shame of Ferrari. Boo.

    Congrats to the OP.
     
  22. mistral95

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    #47 mistral95, Mar 21, 2017
    FYI it is possible to remove the OEM fog light lens without damaging it. I did it successfully after putting my complete fog light assembly in my oven heated to 100° C. The glue is getting much softer and easier to remove.
     
  23. theunissenguido

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    #48 theunissenguido, Mar 21, 2017
    Congrat...but how did the plastic react ? No transformations at all ?
    Some pictures of the results !?

    Guido
     
  24. mistral95

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    #49 mistral95, Mar 22, 2017
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    Here is the result. On the right are the tools that I used to cure the glue deep inside the plastic groove, under the glass edge.
    No dammage to plastic or glass. 100°C is a normal operating temperature around cars engine and plastic parts don't suffer.
    Next step is to varnish the reflector yellow, same as my other fog light.
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  25. porphy

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    #50 porphy, Mar 7, 2018
    Beautiful work Rob. I am back in the US mid-April in case we need to talk.
     
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