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Shift paddles on steering wheel mod?

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  1. Alemania

    Alemania Rookie

    Apr 10, 2006
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    Hi everyone,

    I'm getting close to pop my Ferrari cherry with a 430 Scuderia.
    My big gripe with Ferrari though are the paddles mounted on the steering column and not on the steering wheel which is a major issue for me. Every other sports car, incl F1 cars have the paddles on the wheel and that's what I've been used to for 15 years.

    Do any of you experts know whether A) Ferrari offers an option to mount shifters on the steering wheel or B) if there's some kind of aftermarket mod option to install the shifters on the wheel?

    I love the cars but I will never get used to not having the paddles right in my hand following every move I make, like a race car should.

    Thanks so much for your input.
     
  2. StuR

    StuR Formula Junior

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    Carbonio did/ do a 488 long paddle set based on their understanding it is a 'flaw' corrected in Ferrari's racing variants with an extended paddle. Not sure what might exist for 430; imagine concept is the same.


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  3. Alemania

    Alemania Rookie

    Apr 10, 2006
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    Yes I've seen those but it's still not the same since you still need to take your fingers off the back of the steering wheel while driving. I just can't get used to it. I feel disconnected with the car unless I have the paddles right on the wheel.
    It's strange that every other supercar has them on the wheel except the most famous race car brand on the planet lol.


     
  4. ar4me

    ar4me F1 Rookie
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    No factory options to mount paddles on steering wheel, and no aftermarket option either, AFAIK. However, there are extended paddles available that will allow you to reach them at almost any steering wheel position. That is common on the factory 360 and 430 Challenge race cars. I also have an Alfa 4c with steering wheel mounted paddles, and I prefer Ferraris steering column mounted paddles!
     
  5. MrF355

    MrF355 Formula Junior

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    Ferrari know what they are doing, leave them alone.
     
  6. StuR

    StuR Formula Junior

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    No worries, you're welcome. Semi serious, How fast do you accelerate out of corners!?!? I wonder if sometime on a track with a good instructor used to that set up wouldn't be able to demonstrate a way that you'd feel comfortable changing your driving style... not suggesting you can't drive, just a question of being comfortable with being uncomfortable until you break the current approach. I work in performance coaching, I'd look to see if the change could be made by the driver before the wheel..


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  7. Alemania

    Alemania Rookie

    Apr 10, 2006
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    That is a very good and valid point, and I appreciate growth & flexibility overall.
    But first I need to explore the quickest path of least resistance to get to my immediate driving enjoyment. I absolutely love the 430 Scuderia but when I drove the McLaren I felt more at home with the shifters, and it is so much faster lol. But it's too small for me (6'3") and doesn't feel or sound as good.


     
  8. StuR

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    Fair enough. My only other thoughts are long gloves, kinda the opposite to OJ's, but not sure that's give you the feel!
    Ultimately it's doable - look at how/why Ferrari did the Valeo.

    But it's a question of cost and effect on value. So that again is personal choice. I suspect it was designed to be driven in a certain way...
    If you find something keep the site posted. Good luck.


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  9. JWeiss

    JWeiss F1 World Champ
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    One point regarding the choice of mount: In a race setup, you rarely move your hands on the wheel (less than 1 full turn lock-to-lock), hence it makes sense to have the paddles where your hands are all the time.

    In a road car, when taking a sharp corner, your hands move and replace on the wheel. Often, the wheel is fully upside down mid-corner. Hence, in a road car, I think it makes sense to have the paddles hard-mounted to the column, not the wheel.
     
  10. HH11

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    After experiencing and owning cars with both column mounted and steering wheel mounted shifters, I vote column mounted every time.

    With column mounted shifters, it's always in the same place. This is helpful not only for street driving, but also on track.

    Extended paddles should make this a non-issue.

    Proper technique would have you downshifting before corner entry and by the time you needed to upshift, you'd be holding a straight wheel again.

    I think if you were to spend time in a car with column mounted paddles you would come back and say how you now prefer them....regardless of how you feel now.
     
  11. LVP488

    LVP488 F1 Veteran

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    I have the extended paddles (from Carbonio) on the 488 and think it's a good solution; the original paddles are only extended towards the top which is not logical - you can upshift when turning left and downshift when turning right but not the other way round :D
    I do not think you really need more amplitude than provided by the extended paddles.
     
  12. Carbonio

    Carbonio Formula 3

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    #12 Carbonio, Apr 19, 2017
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    Thanks LVP, the install picture you sent in looks great!

    For their own reasons Ferrari chose column mounted shifters but when you look at what the pro's are doing you get an idea of what works and what doesn't. The factory Challenge cars use longer paddles and we supplied some teams running in the 24h of Daytona with our extended paddles. Ours being longer both up and down have the benefits we're discussing for racing, but we can't stress enough how these benefits translate to daily driving too.

    Now, we do have Extended Carbon F1 Challenge Shift Paddles for most paddle Ferrari's out there, including the F430.
    For more information and online ordering visit:

    Carbonio Performance - Ferrari 430 Challenge Shift Paddles
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  13. taz355

    taz355 F1 Veteran
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    When I am tracking mine I find the paddles are fine stock any longer and I would likely accidently hit them even more.

    Once you drive it for a while you will get used to it especially if your racing. It works for me but everyone is differant.

    I would buy the scud and not change a thing until you track it.

    Personally the longer paddles would be nice on the street if your being lazy but like anything it is what you get used to.

    Dont judge the car just because of the paddles, you will likely love the car way more than hate the paddles.
     
  14. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Main answer is no, there is no easy way to convert to wheel mounted paddles. Once you did it, you could not sell it that way, at any rate.
     

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