Official Countach Value Thread

No way a DD is worth that much. Way more DD's were made than fuel injected cars. If anything, Fuel injected cars are more reliable and the rarer of the bunch. Also, with the recent fuel injected cars sold at auction, they've been going anywhere from 180K for an Anniversary, and QV's selling anywhere from the 200's to low 300's, granted they needed a little work but were not terrible. A Countach Downdraft here in the US recently sold for UNDER 350K at auction. With fees.

 

Jean Guikas (GTC) sold JLA12305 with 95 delivery kms for that amount.

 

Since you refer to facts, there are one or two I’d like to share.

You are entitled to your opinion about what transpired, I have mine because I still have the exchanges documented on file. As regards your former car’s condition, on Apr 27, 2015, at 10:26 AM, LABrit himself wrote: …”It appears to be a driver that needs approximately $100k to bring it into concourse condition.” thus describing it in his own words - fact.

I didn’t talk your car down when I stated that it was a fuel-injected Countach and sought to describe a difference between it and a carburetted Countach - fact.

I didn’t talk your car down when I stated that it was modified from its original USA spec - fact.

He described that he wanted a black or a white Countach, and I suggested a carburetted example of either (those cars have now been sold on to a pair of separate Chatters and are worth about significantly more than they were in 2015) - fact.

As I operate as a consultant, my job is to steer potential clients towards cars that I feel will best meet their needs as they describe them to me (including steering them away from a car I think is not right for them), and also put them into cars with potential future upside, and that’s exactly what I did - fact.

For whatever reason, once he decided to buy your car, in conjunction with you, he started a thread characterizing my advice to him as unethical, but this doesn’t change what really happened - fact.

That thread had zero impact on the way I continue to do business, or, present & future client’s perception of same - fact.

If I were presented with the same set of circumstances today, I’d give the same advice, and always will - fact.

All that said, IMO, there is plenty of room in the car hobby for all sorts of personalities and opinions - fact.

 

But you lied Joe. You never saw the car. You never inspected it. You keep blowing off that fact that you lied.

 

Of course YOUR recollection is different then LA Brit..maybe his statements here, which can be found in this thread help your recollection.

I have found for myself, when there is TWO complete opposites in an issue, the truth is somewhere in the middle, so I am sure your description of your perfect behavior in this matter is not as great as you recall, but may not be as bad as Josh recalls LA britt.

I do find it quite interesting that he made a WRITTEN statement as he recalls your actions where...I mean there is no reason for him to do that, there was no bonus for him, it was just his documented recollection of the facts.


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Roy,

I haven't actually mentioned this to you nor publicly but since our transaction has been completed and the vehicle is on its way to LA shortly i am now prepared to confirm the following:

"Joe was trying to find me a Countach for approximately 3 weeks prior to your one being listed.

Upon a courtsey email from myself to Joe informing him to stop his search as i had found a potential Countach he:

1. Asked whether it was the one you had newly referenced as becoming available.
2. Attempted to steer me away from your one.
3. Claimed it had numerous "modifications" that were "poorly executed", that it was not desirable as it "modified fuel-injection car, the type with lower power & performance" which would detract from it's value in an attempt to scare me off.
4. Claimed to have inspected the vehicle.

Upon me asking for a copy of the report and for a list of all the modifications he failed to support his claims and allegations and upon detailed questioning from myself confirmed that the modifications he was referring to were simply that the car was an FI QV and that a "trusted colleague" had seen and not formally inspected the vehicle.

I have an email trail to prove the above should Joe comment on this post and i am willing to spend the time to post these should he continue to show his poor character.

He is underhanded in his approach and i am absolutely disgusted by him.

I wouldn't deal with him again and can only state for purchasers to be extremely weary.

Josh"


Thanks for your version of this past under the water incident. I take it you are in agreement with my other two points as you did not have a response for them.

 

Just for the experience of things here..

What MODS were done to this car..THAT you have first hand knowledge was done??



"For whatever reason, once he decided to buy your car,..."

AND just this comment and response ALONE are so "back handed insulting" that it just shows how well you play with other.

 

Since I owned the car I want to know too

 

Incorrect.

I never claimed to have personally inspected the vehicle, what I said to LABritt was that a third party had inspected the vehicle and shared their thoughts with me.

The Mon Apr 27, 2015 at 7:04 PM, e-mail went:

"... a colleague saw the car and had the opportunity to look it over, it was not a formal inspection with a report or anything like that. He described it exactly as you have: a driver."

 

The car has very clearly been modified from production status as any external images will show. It have been converted from USA DOT specification to the Euro-look both front & rear. That much can be seen for pictures - another fact.

 

Yes, dont we all want to know...I mean JOE clearly STATE that the car had MODIFICATIONS from its ORIGINAL USA Delivery... I WOULD like to be taught this method of discussing a car with out EVER seeing it or having any info or records for it...AFTER ALL he says its a "FACT"

He must have got this info while Smoking something With Marley

the one he says is alive and the Play tennis together just what they do LOL

OR it cold be that it no longer had the original battery and air in the tires?? LOL

And as far as LA BRITT saying it was a driver car AND needed a $100K to make a concourso car..most likely true, it WAS not a 10 point concorso car..

ALMOST like your recent DD car was a DIVER car till you spent $$$ on it to get it to where it is..so using your terms and suggestions, I can only believe your car was a POS as well when you first got??

 

The feeling is mutual - I wouldn't deal with him again either, and I suggest that anyone who does be extremely wary.

I understand, anyone can make any claim or accusation they wish on the internet, but the nice thing is, there is always a chance for rebuttal.

I do things my way, always have, always will, and I belive that many people appreciate that.

That said, nobody can make all the people happy all the time.

Personally I love what I do, continue to remain enthusiastic, and prefer to remain positive. For me, that’s a winning formula for life, and when you have something that works, you don’t change a thing.

 

So you DO SMOKE "something" with Marley while playing tennis LOL LOL

AND those COMMON cosmetic CHANGES that almost EVERY Countach owner has done to their USA spec cars makes it an inferior car that you talked down on...

RIGHT..now your grabbing at stars in the sky.

YOU are well aware that what LA Britt as well as EVRYONE else says here, your statements were "intended" to talk negative about a car you did not have a hand in selling. NOR even ever saw.

 

OH so know LA Britt is to watched, like he did something wrong or cant be trusted...YOU truly are disillusion..You never heard the phrase the customer may not always be right, but he is never wrong...I cant believe that since he DID not buy a car from you you come here and say things to make him look bad.

The ONE thing that is a FACT...is he has NO reason to lie WHAT SO EVER..he posted his experience with you..WHICH CLEARLY shows you as a LIAR and Dis-honest person..PERIOD, no two ways around that.

 

Really?

I thought you already know

After all, you owned ZA9CA05A0HLA12115 when you advertised it here: 1987 Lamborghini Countach 5000 quattrovalvole Coupe 2-Door 5.2L for sale in Phoenix, Arizona, United States where you refer to it's "Euro conversion".

Please find below before & after images of HLA12115 on the same Arizona plates AXC7248 to serve as a reminder and proof of the car's modification.

FWIW, stating that a car is modified is not talking the car down, its simply stating a fact, as you well know.
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It's only 4:30 PST, but I have to ask you Roy, are you drunk again?

 

Correct , it is not what i want to hear,what i do want to hear is a quick tec/market related answer based on my question,IOW why a anni fuelie is only 100k cheaper than the anni dd,while the qv fuelie is anywhere from 170 to 650 k cheaper than the qv dd, i am perfectly aware this is your oppinion, all respect for that, but still a very interesting value setting.

 

You see these market disparities in other makes and models, the market is not ruled by strict formulas and logic.

For example, why is a rare one-of-52 Silhouette not 3 times as valuable as one-of-150 Miura SV? Instead it is one-tenth the value of the 3-times more prolifically-produced SV! Does that make any sense, and can you tell me the answer to that one?

 

not relevant, my question is simpley,why the value gain on the qv dd is so much grater than the anni dd. Being the focus is on the carburators,

 

Yes ,i do have the answer to this,my personal theori, first ,the only thing in common is they are Lamborghinis, what they do not have in common isne is probably the most beautiful car ever made, with the curves and hips of a porn star, transverse v12 and absolutely breathtaking. Every body vants one,huge demand versus supply.The other one, none of the above.

 

I miss my car

That horrible messed up driver level Countach that was modified

 

LOL nope, if I was I sure as heck would not be as nice and fact of matter speaking here.

But it is par for the course for you to deflect questions and documented stated facts with
this stereo typical personal attacks that have no bearing on whats in front of you. It is understandable to respond this way when you have no clear or truthful answer when you are confronted.

So back on topic:

I am glad you understand the increased danger for a buyer when he is purchasing a car from a Broker over a FULLY LICENSED, bonded and insured Vehicle dealer.

 

Come on, you cant read what he says..

HE OWNS one, thats why...


Remember when he owned a NON DD Anniversary? Its was the best thing since the parting of the Red Sea...but it was not for sale either/...until he got it talked up so high, he was satisfied with its sale price.

Cant wrong him for that, after all he "pushes Metal" from time to time as well.


Simple as 1,2,3

 

Yes, it was a POS...I CANT believe someone further DEVALUATED its worth by removing the USA DOT bumpers and making it look like a Euro Car..

What a Federal crime that is, probably lost at least $100 K for the MODIFICATION!

 

The gain is much greater, because Joe has a DD forsale.. Remember when he had an Anniversary for sale, (fuel injected btw) that was touted as being the best, most advanced, best driving, fastest iteration of the Countach available which would surely appreciate into the stratosphere.

 

Ha ha ,do not forget, its got the same great 4 valve engine,and painted by the guy who smokes a cigarette while doing it, And rolled down The one and only assembley line in Santa Agata 30 years ago, Epic