Official Countach Value Thread

As if to underscore my earlier post, I just spoke to the owner of the red/white Downdraft who tells me "there is no way I would let the car go for under $450,000".

That said, if more sales come in under $400k, I will make the adjustment.

 

It actually shows mechanically how little you know . The DD header design and exhaust is already free flowing, devoid of catalytic converters . So let me make it simple, bolt up the individual runner design header from a QV DD, along with catalytic converter less exhaust to a fuel injected CT and race them... Ill take the bet....

 

Ohh... that makes alot of sense... I just spoke to the guy who bought your $175k Countach F/I example and he said no way he'd let it go for less than $400k as well.

 

Oh... So its 2017 numbers? Ok, which QV DD sold for 1 mill in 2017?

I wouldnt let my Fuel/Injected CT go for less than $400k either.

 

These are classic cars good luck finding another bro like yourself to race.... your argument is crappy at best. What bet are you even taking???

As a collector I'll take the one of one carb setup over the gazillion other FI V12 engines with 4 valves. You can talk until your blue in the face but it changes nothing.....

 

Who knows maybe going forward people pay up for the toasters as a sign that the car is intact unmodified from the factory.

 

Thanks

 

Downdrafts to certain markets did not have a free-flow header application.

My comment bore this in mind for purposes of clarification.

 

As I posted regarding the Downdraft, "if more sales come in under $400k, I will make the adjustment", because you want to establish a new lower level with multiple sales. The same will applies with the Fuelie.

 

None, but, Im confident that a totally-restored Countach Downdraft can bring $1m in 2017 based on offers I have been party to for one, and upwards of $750k based on multiple offers I have been party to for an FChatter's nice original Downdraft.

That said, as my disclaimer says:

* These numbers reflect my considered informed opinion, other sources may differ.

It's perfectly fine to have a different perspective, and, I'm happy to make an effort to review, adjust & update these numbers much more regularly moving forward.

 

Ohhh youre confident that one will sell in the future..lol

 

If you are speaking of the ex-Patrick Mimran Countach, then, yes, I'm confident it will sell for $1m if & when I wish to sell it, after all that's already been offered & declined - simply because I want to use it.

In fact, I'm confident that $1m will not be an unusual price for any Downdraft in great condition at some point in the future, its simply a matter of time. I recall buying an LP400 for under $100k @ a 13 years ago, thinking that they would be $500k cars at some point. People laughed then also, but Im not sure they were still laughing when they sold @ $1m.

 

Lol! In regards to the $1Mil DD, I'd like to quote Joe when he referred to FI Countachs. There's no basis to that claim, hahaha.

Even if only one DD sold this year at less than $350,000 at auction with fee's, (I believe $345,000), it's still a baseline and should be recorded. Those cars are a dime a dozen in Europe compared to the US and it'd be so much cheaper to import one than pay what's being reflected in this thread.

 

Exactly... If a downdraft is important to you, the only place its rare is in the U.S.

 

You're starting to turn purple. The reality of the gazillion as you put V12 engines is that the DD was produced in far greater numbers than the FI.

 

I'd really like to see a thread with input from people who aren't trying to inflate values and are reporting with actual info on real sales.

 

You can prove that, by buying one and importing it for less than the lower amount of $400k that is being suggested here, there is nothing to stop you doing that if possible. Anyone can only be happy for you if you can. If you do and can corroborate the details, of course Id like to know for purposes of amending the numbers.

As regards the Downdraft being a dime a dozen, that's a bit of an exaggeration.

Let's assume 610 QVs of both variants were built. How many were Downdrafts? Kidston says 300 cars and he has the records. Some say 400 cars. Even if there are as many as 400 pre-25th Downdrafts, that's still quite rare for a sports car. To put it in perspective, there are 1,270 Carrera GTs, and there are 1,311 F40s, the latter a bonafide million dollar car. There are even less Downdrafts than there are Ferrari Enzos or La Ferraris, and we know what those bring. The point is, its all relative.

 

I'll tell you a funny story: years ago, I purchased a tired Miura SV. I had it restored. Soon after showing the car, I began to receive unsolicited offers from collectors. Sound familiar? Well, one of the offers I received was over $1 million. At that time, this was an unheard of amount for an SV. I shared this in confidence with a few people who responded similarly by laughing. I'm sure they thought there was no basis to that claim. I ended up selling the car for much more than a million. They weren't laughing then. Fast forward a few years and SVs all go for more than twice that sum at public auctions. So do many other makes and models that I have no interest or involvement in. The point is, what seems ridiculous, outrageous or unbelievable today can become the standard benchmark norm in a few years.

 

Sure, agreed, FWIW I have it recorded, and taken into consideration, I just don't think you can go out and buy one for that. If another sale with those numbers happens, as Ive said at least twice before, I'd be happy to amend to the lower number.

As regards the $1m, I don't expect a Private Treaty offer to have the same market impact as a public auction sale, but then again, these numbers reflect my considered informed opinion, you can feel free to differ.

 

Not sure what your point is, other than to prove there are even less FI units than Downdrafts...

 

Yes, there are less Fuelies than Downdrafts, its true, its never been disputed.

The point is, its all relative, for sports cars today, both the Fuelie and the Downdraft are rare cars. So, to suggest that Downdrafts are a dime-a-dozen is incorrect, whether from a production numbers or monetary values perspective. That's the point.

 

Fewer does not always equate to more desirable, especially when it's as a result of onerous government regulations. Just look at the price of a US spec wet sump fiberglass 308 vs a dry sump ROW version. There are a total of +/- 800 fiberglass cars, of which only about +/- 100 are wet sump, yet they trade for a significant discount.

 

As a public service announcement...if ANYONE wants to import a DD, or any other car for that matter from Europe to USA...GUESS WHAT.

I AM a licensed import/export house. I also carry the documents needed for pre delivery with US Customs. I have imported several cars, all of different brands into the USA, as well as a few Lamborghinis as well...only 1 Ferrari..

So if you need help with that call me. I don't charge 6%. I only charge 4%.