Where do you think the 360's will be in 5 and 10 years

THIS^^^

 

But the CS was an F1 with a much improved TCU map. F1 was developed for a reason. The only reason I would own a manual now would be for DIY maintenance and fiddly launch and low gear control. Although my gated 5 speed experience was with the terrible cables in the 348. I lubed them myself but not completely. I know that F1s and ZFs can handle the fiddly stuff now and will do even better in the future.

 

Why would you want a Ferrari with F1 when you can have one with DCT? It does everything the F1 can do, except only better in every possible way.

F1 will die just like the Valeo clutch. The prices of 360 and F355 equipped F1* cars already speaks volumes compared to their manual counter parts.

*CS and Scud are a different kettel of fish, who knows what they will be worth. Limited numbers, but outdated gearbox... the market will decide on that one.

 

Because it's one more step removed from the whole experience. An F1 Ferrari is still the same gearbox and clutch as the manual, only with a hydraulically operated clutch. I know some very experienced Ferrari owners (many different models over the years) that have F430s and Scuds in F1 because it's what reminds them most of the sequential shifting race cars they used to campaign while the new DCT cars make them feel very far away from that experience.

There's a place for all transmissions and it's okay that some people prefer one over the others.

 

In the future world of the majority being self driving vehicles,the F1 cars will still have some attraction to people who actually enjoy driving,and the MT will have at least the same attraction if not more.

This is most likely more than 5 or 10 years into the future though so in that time frame i expect the 360 F1 to continue falling and then a gradual rise to at least double the bottom of the curve,the 360 MT still has a bit further to fall but will outperform on the upside.

Sent from my rusty crystal ball.

These sort of issues will not help values as the cars age.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430-sponsored-yellow-compass-group/550007-f1-gearbox-wont-select-gear-when-stationary-2.html

 

Spot on! I agree 100% with this sentiment


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X2, well said and exactly how I feel!

 

I like listening, reading and watching Clarkson because he's mostly different to motoring journalists. One thing he does do is fall in and out with cars and manufacturers. Ultimately motoring journalists are first and foremost a journalist. That is what their profession is and what they are taught to do. They are good at opinions.

To know what how well a car performs ask a racing driver but to know how a car is to live with day to day then come to a forum such as this

Regarding F1 or Manual and what they might be worth. In 30 years plus it won't matter because cars like this will be a thing of the past. I don't think it will matter whether a tiny T-lever is on that centre console or a tall stick and ball , they will all be worth the same. GearHeads, Petrolheads or whatever that term is will be a thing of the past for that generation.
Autonomous cars (powered by what I'm not sure about) will be the downfall of most motor enthusiasts and it'll be a computer geeks domain

 

I'm not sure about the fear of autonomous cars and the demise of petrol. I understand where its coming from, due to the pervasiveness of technology, but it reminds me a bit of the how the people in the 50's predicted life in the year 2000 would look like...with hover cars floating all around
I think the technology could be there in a couple decades (self-parking cars aren't even mainstream yet, which is a much simpler and less risky technology. GPS has only recently become standard in the past few years), but the hold up will be in liability. It will be one brave company that's willing to subject itself to lawsuits in the litigious-happy United States.
will it be readily adopted? I dunno. I know lots of ppl who are afraid to have Facebook profiles due to fear of hacking, invasion of privacy etc...will they be comfortable that at driving at 60mph their vehicle wont get hacked?

I wouldn't count on any big windfall in collectability though. its like expecting big rises in baseball cards bought in 2001. too many collectors and speculators. these same discussions that we have here are also happening on the lambo, Porsche, etc forums as well. buyers will have lots to choose from, and that includes manual trans cars, if so desired (or greater options to modify to one).

 

Almost all discussions end up being manual vs F1 debate... a bit boring

 

Of course. As are they "real" or "fake" discussions invariably evolve. It's as inevitable as the tides..

 

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I'm confused about the talk of the F1. My 99 360 F1 is silky smooth. No issues at all in 3 years and 9k miles of ownership. none. I did put a TCU in from the 2004 model year so i could have the PIS adjusted.

i have 2% wear after nearly 4k miles since that TCU swap and clutch change. Am i especially lucky or do most people just have a horrid setup on the F1.

I like it as i get the feel of a manually shifted car and the speed and convenience of the paddles. I have other cars that are both stick or DCT. The F1 to me is a nice hybrid of both

 

Guys we won't even need/want cars anymore.. Flying Ubers (electric) coming in 2020 lol true story

 

Most just have a terrible setup and don't want to pay someone who really knows to get it right.

 

Or perhaps there aren't enough techs around who know how to get it right?

 

I would accept that as true.

 

Bound to be less in the future.

 

Because DCT is boring. I have driven them in BMW and Audi. I was amazed for 5 minutes then yawned and hit the auto button. I never hit the auto button once in my 360 in 5 years of ownership.

 

But have you ever REALLY driven them? Do you leave a PDK 911 or 458 in Auto on a track or tight-cornered road? Or, do you leave it in auto because you don't want to spill your coffee?

If you haven't DRIVEN any car where you haven't felt that using your left foot to plant you in the seat better, or having an extra hand on the wheel helped you in a turn, you haven't REALLY driven a car.

If you have one mobile home, and five cars that aren't.... sorry Mr. Foxworthy

I'm not saying that manual cars aren't fun, I've owned tens of them, but that paddles can be an absolute thrill.

 

I agree completely....with the proviso that the owner is someone who frequently tracks their car. I'm not sure what the percentage is of those owners vs those that just drive them around town, work, cruise nights etc, while staying relatively within the confines of the law and common sense (safety). I'm in the latter group, so the advantages of the semi auto trans is outweighed by the disadvantages of them. And frankly, if performance were that important to me, that the millisecond shifts mattered, I'd be looking at options other than the 360.

 

I'm not trying to knock anyone on this board and I say this in the most general terms.. but MOST Ferrari owners can't drive their ****** cars! Sure they zip from 0-60 occasionally on the highway in a straight line, but I can count on one hand the number that actually corner their cars the way they were intended. yeah yeah I know that should be done on the track...

But to take your car out to 6/10 on an abandoned road even if its a really tight turn only at 40, not many do that. I do it every day in my 911 at this one turn at work and I have my secret space in the forest on the weekend for the 360. Not many will drive their cars beyond 3/10. I've gone maaaaybe 7-8/10 and I don't want to push it. I've gotten close enough to experience the nervous handling.. and that's as close as I want to get until I realign to 430 or challenge spec.

I've pooh poohed the F1 in prior posts, but I would buy an F1 360 for the track. It's designed for that experience and really comes alive there IMHO.

 

No doubt DCT is faster, everyone knows that. I didn't mention manual only F1 which I really enjoyed owning. Including a little track time. Gives a nice old school kick on the upshifts that you don't get with DCT. I went backwards from F1 to manual and love it even more. I can even sometimes shift as quick as the F1.

 

I think my stick 360 is great to drive on track or off!

 

Common misconception and nice to believe. The shift is 150ms and that includes disengage and engage the clutch. You can move the shifter that fast but you can't do everything in the time.