Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

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You can pick up a 5 sec penalty for driving slowly in the pit lane entry...so if you have the leaders of a F1 race coming up behind you on the last lap its your job to let them past asap,especially if it will not affect your own race.

 

I think Massa did nothing wrong...sometimes the driver being laped thinks it will be easier if he leaves a certain space open, or in a certain part of the circuit, and the guy behind is thinking of another thing...and misunderstandings happen....perhaps Felipe could have done it in a diferent (better) way, perhaps Seb didn't understod his intentions...it was just a racing misunderstanding...nothing more....people forget this guys have to make split second decisions while driving at 300km/h..they'r not robots, mistakes and confusions can happen.....a more agressive driver than Seb could have passed in a diferent way....a less cautious one could have made a mistake and got into a big accident....no one could find better passing oportunities than Gilles, yet one day he had a bad decision..and it costed his life.

 

Vettel is a wise chap upstairs, he knows the biggest opportunity was in Turn 1 of the last lap, he wasn't close enough. Taking a bigger risk to overtake Massa would also have meant he needed very good luck to pass Bottas later in the lap realistically...I'm sure Vettel played it safe , there was a small risk Massa didn't see him and could have collided...now THAT would've been costly!

 

You're hilarious man.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I, and others here, seek your approval. I'm not sure where you got this impression. There are plenty of experienced race fans, historians, and racers here (and in the real world) that share their experience without the arrogance or attitude you regularly display.

I'll take comfort in the fact that Vettel, the 4 time world champion, was also bewildered by Massa's behavior on track.

 

+1 so why is everyone so upset. Again Vettel didnt make the move. End of.

 

Don't need approval at'all. No narcissism here whatsoevr.

"I'll take comfort in the fact that Vettel, the 4 time world champion, was also bewildered by Massa's behavior on track."

"Waaaahhh."

'Couldn't git it done. He was beaten, fair and square.

 

Massa appears to make it easier to pass him than lap him.

 

Vettel did not lose because is Massa

He lost when Bottas passed him at the start.

 

Exactly

 

Again. Wonders never cease. We agree.

 

Of course. Even if he had caught him, which he was doing, there is no guarantee he would pass him. The question was around where Massa put his car, etc.

 

Not the same? Maybe you have forgotten about Norberto Fontana, the Sauber-Petronas (rebadged Ferrari engine) driver who was ordered by Jean Todt before the race to hold up Villeneuve whenever possible, and who subsequently when being lapped let MS sail through and then held up Villeneuve by 2 seconds?

https://sports.vice.com/en_au/article/collision-and-collusion-the-story-of-the-1997-formula-1-title-decider

"Norberto Fontana only drove in four grands prix, all of them during the 1997 season when he was just 22 years of age. The Argentine had an impressive junior record and got a deserved break at the Ferrari-powered Sauber team, filling in for the injured Gianni Morbidelli.

But, thus far, he had shown little for Sauber. At Jerez he qualified 18th – a second shy of teammate Johnny Herbert – and was now on the verge of being lapped by the title-contending leaders.

Schumacher made it by without fuss, but Villeneuve lost two seconds behind the Argentine, who remained ahead for three corners before allowing the Williams past. Was it a coincidence that Schumacher was able to easily pass the Ferrari customer team's car, while Villeneuve lost considerable time?

Apparently not.

Speaking to the Argentine sports magazine Ole! in 2006, Fontana made a claim that had been whispered throughout the sport for many years.

"We were in [team boss] Peter Sauber's motorhome with the masseur and Johnny Herbert," said Fontana. "It was two or three hours until the race started. [Ferrari team principal] Jean Todt entered and went straight to the point: 'By strict order of Ferrari, Villeneuve must be held up if you come across him on the track. To whoever this applies.' And this applied to me."

According to Fontana, team boss Sauber – not present when Todt made his alleged demand – told his driver that he would need to follow orders. The Swiss squad had an engine contract with Ferrari and could not afford to risk a fall out. Sauber has since denied the claim: "Ferrari never expressed the desire that we should obstruct an opponent of Schumacher on the track," he told Swiss newspaper Blick.

Nevertheless, the rumour remains that Fontana tried to hamper Villeneuve at the behest of Todt – who is now president of world motorsport's governing body, the FIA. Fontana never raced in F1 again, but did carve out a successful touring car career back home."

 

Inter-team assistance in Jerez '97 was the straw that broke the camels back for the FIA because it was blatantly obvious that both the pro-Ferrari/Schumacher teams, and the pro-Villeneuve/Williams teams were all at it, and were as bad as each other.

Even worse, with Schumacher out of the race (through his own stupid fault!), McLaren and Williams then went on to pretty much fix the race result.

Schumacher's failed attempt to cheat Villeneuve out of his WDC by ramming him off the road was embarrassing enough for the sport, but having teams ganging up on each other and then fixing the race result made it an even more embarrassing debacle for the sport.

Massa and Stroll's actions in Sochi are not worthy of comparison to Jerez '97, however, they both let themselves down as professional drivers by not being fair to both drivers and getting out of the way at the first possible opportunity, as required, so the two leading drivers could enjoy a fair fight for the win (which I think Bottas would still have won anyway!).

Think of this though: How hard would it be in a future race for Seb, with a nice comfortable lead, to come up behind Massa to lap him, to just stay there until Massa has been shown four or five blue flags, gaining Massa a nice little penalty!

I'm not saying Seb would do that, but it wouldn't be too hard to do!

 

That would be hilarious! ... and Seb does have a great sense of humour

 

Back to the topic: Stroll still sucks badly!

 

So, rumours are now facts and what we heard (those of us that watched the race live) is refutable ?

BTW I think it quite possible JT did speak to Sauber

 

Back to topic; I suspect many don't like Lance Stroll because he is a rich kid.

The guy can't help it, but the label will stick to him whatever.

 

I have no problem with him as someone of wealth. Watching him I dont get a sense of his skill yet. With the new cars/downforce their is less passing and that is part of the problem for him. The formula and his car dont allow much aggression now unless you are in a top team. The front might be ok but the mid field is boring. Spain will only accentuate that and not allow much for Stroll to display.

 

Something's wrong....we agree.

I still say give him time before deciding how good (or not) he is.

 

I don't care for the way he drove at times in F3. That's my only issue with him personally.

Lots of "rich kids" in racing in general. Some of them are great people; some are dirtbags. Can't form any conclusions based on how much money their family does or does not have IMHO.

 

Every kid involved in motorsport is a rich kid. It requires money ...
Pete

 

I don't know too much about the current crop, but Schumacher wasn't. He fished second tyres out of the bin to partake in karting races.
Hamilton, if I understood things on here correctly, didn't grow up in a rich household. Sure they weren't poor as some people want to make us understand, but not rich.
The finish guys? What's their background?

 

Did some searching on Bottas, his dad owns a small cleaning company and his mum a funeral director...doesn't sound like either made millions.

Kimi grew up in a small house with an outdoor toilet, each time they wanted to upgrade to an indoor one they couldn't because the kart required something fixed. His dad was a road builder and IIRC his mum was a secretary in an office. Definitely not rich .

Vettel's dad was a furniture maker, also not a rich man by any means.

Ocon's dad had a small garage, presumably not loaded either.

 

And we all now the story about poor Elton's background....

 

He won't ever shut up about it!