Marchionne says no V12 Turbo

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ferrari-stick-naturally-aspirated-v12s

But hybrid V12 soon

 

Honestly this makes sense. All the hybrid does is give the bottom end torque and acceleration you want and meet the emissions standards for slow speed driving.

Turbo charging will just screw with the exhaust note.

I'm sure the replacement of the 488 will be a non-turbo car also.

 

Hybrid will have weight penalty but im glad going that route over turbo

 

It's the modern world. We have to make cars today that meet stupid standards even if they make no sense.

Government standards are just stupid. I'm making a BlueTooth microphone that's being sold in Europe for people under 12 years old. Because of that, it can't exceed a volume of 85DB by EU law.

I'm like -- so what sense does that make? 85DB is not a lot. If the person has a little brother or sister they can scream probably 120DB easily and often.

Should we outlaw little brothers and sisters to protect the ears of adolescents???? What about their TV's? Should we limit all TV's with household members under 12 to 85DB?

Of course none of it makes any sense but someone wrote a law and that's that. Deal with it as best you can.

 

So high levels of exhaust and noise emissions from vehicles make no difference at all to the environment and to peoples health, and daily exposure to noises of 85dB and above are not harmful?

Sounds like it's time to change your name from TheMayor to ThePresident!

Here's a bit of "Fake news" to read: Harmful Noise Levels-Topic Overview

I found these parts quite interesting:

"A sound's loudness is measured in decibels (dB). Normal conversation is about 60 dB, a lawn mower is about 90 dB, and a loud rock concert is about 120 dB. In general, sounds above 85 are harmful, depending on how long and how often you are exposed to them and whether you wear hearing protection, such as earplugs or earmuffs."

and:

"Most cases of noise-induced hearing loss are caused by repeated exposure to moderate levels of noise over many years, not by a few cases of very loud noise."

All "Fake news!" though, I'm sure!

 

If that's true I suspect 488 values will drop significantly once it's announced.

 

Seems we are talkign about something conceptualy like what is on the la ferrari, Essentialy an electric assist at the flywheel. then you can tune your 12 for peak revs hp and use the eletcrics to fill in the lower rev tq gaps.

Of course a 2700lbs car wioth small v12 would be better still, but the people who apprently want a 12 are old and all about luxury(weight)

How many 12s does ferrari sell in a year?

 

So, you think the tanker truck should be able to haul milk in one direction and toxic waste in the other to make both directions profitable?

You think that we should still be able to use lead based paint?

 

I think give The Mayor a break; his point was that regulations that can be easily circumvented - or whose benefits easily can be nullified - by consumer choice are burdensome and often to the detriment of product quality.

He wasn't even suggesting that 85db blasting into your eardrum is healthy; he's decrying that politicians put a decibel restriction on a headphone product for kids, when kids easily could swap them for adult ear buds, but now adults in those households who want to rock out can't use the kids product accessory. Meanwhile, the sound-restricted headphones may be of inferior quality to normal ones.

It's a parable for fuel economy-enhancing engine mods that lessen the motoring experience, when window sticker MPG goes right out the window under performance driving conditions.

 

Mitch you have me all wrong.

What I mean is that 1200 V12 cars a year that probably are driven 1000 miles a year should not be regulated like some gas guzzling SUV going in stop and to traffic everyday with one person in it.

There needs to be some balance and common sense to regulations. I agree that there needs to be regulations to protect the world, our families, our health, etc. But the "one size fits all" way that most regulation is written often makes our lives less interesting and duller. All I ask for is balance and common sense.

 

On the contrary, if the 488 turns out to be the next-to-last pure combustion engine Ferrari (the 812 being the last) I would suspect values would remain very robust until the day the government makes it illegal for people to drive their own cars.

 

I think that would be true of the 458, not the 488, unless the next iteration is all-electric. Forced induction vs KERS makes no difference in terms of labelling a powerplant's "purity." 458 was the last "pure combustion," and I suspect the 488 will be mostly forgotten as a footnote if Ferrari drops turbocharging from their V8 platform.

 

Turbo v12 creates unmanageable power and torque.

 

Only to those with little self control.

 

What does a hybrid system weigh, anyone know?

Turbo's aren't exactly light, either...with the extra plumbing, turbos, intercoolers etc etc there's an easy 80-100KG.

 

I hope that, with the electric motor working its torque magic at low RPM, Ferrari will increase the red line to an F1-like 10,000 rpm. Bring back the best sounding F1 engines!

 

Precisely.

Kind regards,

Nuno.

 

So do we exactly know that the 488’s successor will be NA + Electric? I mean I would really appreciate going that way. However, I fear this might be more wishful thinking than reality.

 

Turbo systems do not weight 100 kgs

There is a marginal amount of "extra" plumbing and that plumbing isn't made from anything heavier than aluminum. Intercoolers are EXTREMELY light. Turbos are the heaviest and even then the heaviest hulk built of cast isn't goint to weight more than maybe 10 pounds each with the size of turbos these cars are running. Id be shocked if each turbo weight 15 pounds

 

I'd be surprised if Ferrari went hybrid, I don't think the cost/repair/warranty issues of hybrids is ready for prime time. Most people would choke if they knew how much a battery replacement costs. 5-8 years in, you WILL have to replace the battery, which could be 50k - 100k. Seriously thats like replacing your engine every 5-8 years. I highly doubt most people would be OK with that at this price range.

 

Its probably closer to 20 kilos. They add bulk and heat but not much in weight.

 

Plus extra cooling.

Seriously though the better solution is plain old NA and weight loss. But then it wouldnt have headline Hp numbers, or excess creature comforts and that what sells apparently.

In any event Sergio is imo doing a good job, who wants a v12 turbo, nobody.

 

But imagine a 3 litre turbo charged v12 with a red line of over 10,000 rpm!!!!!!

That would be so much cooler than these enormous engines Ferrari are now producing. Getting so big there will soon be Kenworth's with smaller capacity ...
Pete

 

I'd rather have a naturally aspirated 3 liter V12 but that won't produce enough power to compete with the other big boys.

 

Just imagine the performance of the 458 if it only weighed in at 2600 pounds.