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  1. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ
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  2. BRADAN

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  3. whatheheck

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    Wow, definitely not an easy job.

    Thanks for sharing photos.
     
  4. E60 M5

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    Always love these threads!!

    Thanks for sharing in detail whats going on!! Great stuff!
     
  5. Bob in Texas

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    +1. More pics!
     
  6. dapper

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    Steel chains directly on alloy casings...nice.

    Web strapping please.
     
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  7. 3POINT8

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    didn't realize the labor required for a clutch no wonder they are so $$$$
     
  8. Rifledriver

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    Looks like it is attached to the transmission mount, probably with a through bolt. It is a very common way to pick one up but I am guessing you wouldn't know that.
     
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  9. brian.s

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    Yes, that is a perfect balance point on these cars
     
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  10. ICULUKN

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    Not looking forward to doing my clutch... maybe this winter..
     
  11. Rifledriver

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    #13 Rifledriver, May 18, 2017
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    In any event none of us can see it so I think it presumptuous to assume they are doing something wrong. But then I tend to assume people are doing the right thing when I have no evidence to the contrary. Some have no ability to do that.
     
  12. dapper

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    Bit unfair, I don't need to have actually carried out every activity to be in a position to comment, simply use my eyes!

    I'm not commenting on mount points at all, through bolt or whatever and if its the common way that's fine, that isn't my concern, but to me simply seeing the chain actually touching the corners of the casing, directly, with no padding in between. as it wraps over the upper area to head to the crane, there's no need to not protect. It doesn't stop you using the tool/method in common use, just some simple protective measures.
     
  13. vrsurgeon

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    Really? And a common steel hand tool never comes into contact with aluminum? And the cast casings themselves are soo perfect? While the WSM shows the use of webbing, a chain is equally viable. It's a very heavy part and if you add all this padding will it introduce a slip hazard? This is why Ferrari owners are perceived as pains in the rear. Better protect the cam gears during a belt change. The vise grips that they use in the WSM might tarnish them.
     
  14. Rifledriver

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    You should see what they do to them at the factory.

    I never really thought of using a hammer on a cam lobe to move the cam a little.
     
  15. Eric C

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    I don't get it. What's wrong with a chain? I've pulled motors with a come along and a tree branch before. Do Ferraris require a special kevlar strap or something?
     
  16. Rifledriver

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    Wilton wool.
     
  17. Michael B

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    Its a full contact sport. Working on clutches is hard. You don't get the white glove treatment when doing so. Its a transaxle case, not alcantara or painted surfaces. The chain links won't do anymore than rest on it.
     
  18. Dave rocks

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    Chains are used all the time but straps are a bit more gentle especially when guys take great measures to clean and polish the aluminum castings (us OCD guys) ;)

    Similar to putting some rubber mats in the engine bay instead of setting tools on the motor..

    But, this is not exactly the painted intakes :) It's likely an area only seen with the gear box out...Not a big deal.
     
  19. Rifledriver

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    And it is also an area that gets marked up and beat up at every one of the frequent transmission mount changes. That is a pretty brutal process.


    If ugly tomatoes make you squeamish, watching ketchup being made probably isn't a good idea.


    Scratching it with a chain. That is actually very funny.

    And as far as being seen. It is under the sub frame which is under a heat shield which is under the air box and a lot of plumbing and wiring.
     
  20. kommons

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    Nothing brutal about a transmission mount change. A little heat and the correct tool and it's no different than removing a lugnut.

    The finish on a casting can not be recreated, if you have the option to use something gentler, why not. I think this is the concern that he is raising.

    For most mechanic shops, even good ones, all of these precautions take time, time most people are not willing to pay for. Most reputable shops get by, but they often aggregate marks on the car. While most people think it's par for the course, others may see it as avoidable damage on a part that would otherwise never need be scratched.
     
  21. Dave rocks

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    Brian - you are killing me. This might be your best post ever (ketchup part). The rest is pretty much what I said. And yep - I'll keep my OCD out of the ketchup factory :)
     
  22. mwstewart

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  23. billy.gif

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    My 360 Modena F1 is currently at local shop for a clutch job, waiting for parts to arrive.

    Is there any else which would be good / "beneficial" to replace while the whole transmission is out? The rear mount for gearbox has been replaced 3 years ago and also the valve cover gaskets were replaced.

    Is there anything else?
     

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