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  1. mike01606

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    #201 mike01606, May 28, 2017
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    Eric, I should have qualified my post. It connects to the engine, airbag and gearbox (CFC 231 via the 430 menu) ECU's.......I've only read data with it and cleared a TCU error code.
    I don't want to fiddle unnecessarily as it is shifting so sweetly but will try more when I have confidence in the software.

    There are definitely some flaws in the app but it gives access to more than anything I've seen previously.

    I think Mark said earlier in the thread some had reported issues entering decimal PIS values. I will try it in the next week or so. As long as it will change it back!

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  2. eric355

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    Mike,
    don't get me wrong, I also was impressed by what the S/W can do on TCUs.
    Though, I would advise you not trying to play with PIS or new clutch values unless you have another tool to set them back. Indeed, it seems we are at least 2 having problems to enter decimal values.
     
  3. mwstewart

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    Yes PIS and closed clutch value need a fix to allow decimals. The reading and writing aspects do work in themselves with whole numbers.
     
  4. mike01606

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    What happens if you enter a decimal Mark?
    Is it just truncated to the integer or does it enter the full number without a decimal?


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  5. eric355

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    The written value is truncated to the integer.
     
  6. mike01606

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    Thanks Eric......a real pity those functions don't work properly......
     
  7. euro_king

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    any info on getting the software? what version are they now ?
     
  8. mike01606

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    I'm on 10.22.....

    I didn't try to test the PIS on Eric's/Mark's advice.
    I did wonder if there is a way to enter the decimal data but obviously not willing to play around.
    Otherwise the software is excellent and hopefully this can be simply fixed......


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  9. KJB355

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    If I wanted to enter a value of 4.2, would I enter that as 42 (or 420, 4200, etc.)? Anyone try it?
     
  10. mike01606

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    This is exactly what I was going to try but as I've no way of correcting it and I'm driving to Italy in a week or two, I don't want to mess with it.....

    My PIS 'read' value is 4.61. It says the max PIS value allowable 5.50 somewhere in the software, so could that be entered as 550 for example and my current value 461?
    It seems such a basic parameter to not get it right.....

    There is also a sequential process for reading and writing (I don't have it handy) which again might cause the issue if not followed.

    Maybe someone who has access to xdiag and a Leo can try it.
     
  11. KJB355

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    Mine was set at 4.15 by dealer after I did the clutch replacement. Needed to do clutch again (don't ask) and now it's dragging ever so slightly.

    My read value is 165.6. Makes no sense. Other note is that I can't select the second generation which I would think a 2003 would be. Here is the link to my experience: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/omccsup0166cfp6/AADAiJ_uuDSIPy95A0MFcpEza
     
  12. mike01606

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    It connects and reads the TCU software version 197533 so it is communicating OK and it is a late version but not the latest. So it may be the 211023/196986 (CS) TCU's that use the second version on the selection menu.
    What do the clutch configuration values read as? Do they match up with the settings entered by the tech?

    I have a 2016 CS TCU installed in my car which uses the CFC231 hardware so I have to connect through the 430 menu which lists CFC 231 hardware.
    The PIS screen is also different as I select read/write from a drop down menu but then I'm using v10.22.

    That tip screen is where it says the PIS settings must be between 4.0 & 5.5.
     
  13. KJB355

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    Mike - thanks for the information, I was thinking my difficulty was linked to the 1st vs. 2nd generation all this time. The connection must be correct to the 197533 as 1st generation. I'll read the clutch configuration values later today.

    Do you have v10.22 that you can share?
     
  14. mike01606

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    Yes but we are making some assumptions!

    The software is linked to your adaptor serial but I'm sure MS6 will sort it out for you.
     
  15. KJB355

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    Updated to v10.22. Same result. Clutch configuration result is basically the same as the PIS. 16X.XX.
     
  16. mechanicservice6

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    This is what i found in other forum about clutch readings.[​IMG][​IMG]

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  19. KJB355

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    Figured I'd take another stab at it and try other models. Ended back at the 360 selection, 1st generation and the PIS setting came back at 3.98. Last dealer setting after new clutch was 4.15. Software allowed entry of 4.3, but didn't change the setting. Entered 5 and PIS came back as 4.97. Entered 43 - and PIS came back as 43. Left it at 5 (4.97) and will drive it. I'm only trying to eliminate the very, very slight drag when in gear no brake. If the drag is eliminated and the clutch engagement is immediate - I'll consider it a success.
     
  20. mike01606

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    Kenneth, thanks for the update.....M
     
  21. mkzhang

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    Does anyone know what the function "clutch configuration" means? It spits out some value that I dont understand what it stands for.

    For a 2006 F430 btw.
     
  22. mike01606

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    #222 mike01606, Jun 24, 2017
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    There's a new clutch closed position which was entered when the clutch was installed and a current clutch closed position. Both are references to the release (throw-out) bearing position.

    Mine are around 16-18 (360)


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  23. mkzhang

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    Thanks, Mike! Follow up question:

    The clutch configuration only gives me one value, 19.31. If this is the CCP, how do I know if it is the old or new, and therefore calculate my clutch wear?

    Where else do I need to go to find the other CCP value?
     
  24. mike01606

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    I'm away from home so can't screen print what I see and post it.
    CCP will probably be the current value. A thought..Does it give you the option to write that parameter? If so it could be the CCP new value. If it's read only then probably current.

    Scroll through all of the TCU parameters to see if there is a CCP New value.

    I'm pretty sure on my CS TCU (231) accessed through the 430 menus they are both together on the clutch config menu with the PIS setting.


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  25. mwstewart

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    The current value is a dynamic parameter autoset by the TCU using the clutch position sensor. The parameter that can be changed is the new clutch position.
     

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