488 platform will never touch 675 much less 720...aluminuim vs. carbon, game over..... it's a consumer products driven world for ferrari they are not a serious performance car, just a red toy for rich boyzzz
Have you any interest in the pinnacle of endurance racing? Ferrari has been very competitive in the AM class, arriving on the podium with both the 458 and 488. Where were the Macca's I wonder? I don't disrespect the "Orange cars" at all. But to scoff at Ferrari is not just being a touch biased, but smacks of jealousy too. My Porsche friends tell me that there is alot of Ferrari Haters out there. So peace be with you!
IMO, Schmee gives the best reviews because he actually shows you all around/inside the car and how infotainment works, little details, storage space, etc. All the other footage and driving impression videos are bull**** and a waste of time. It's more informative to drive a 488 in Forza than it is to watch a driving review.
They're all great cars that do pretty much exactly the same thing in most usage. I think racing is somewhat different though since teams are forced to restrict cars. There's no doubt in my mind that the McLaren platform is superior to the 458/488, but it won't necessarily translate to that on the track because at the end of the day the cars are restricted to be competitive. They all can set very close lap times to one another. I imagine it wouldn't even be a contest if they let new FGTs run at their best potential because some cars just can't compete.
hyperbole a bit....but still after my 19 f-cars there is no jealousy and now my heart is with Mac ...though i still keep a Speciale around just for old times sake, and may go after an 812 just to have the end of the line v-12...
What if every manufacturer took this line of reasoning. I guess no one would race? But those who are in for the sport make a choice and then pick what they think is the most competitive package. I enjoy seeing who competes and even more for who wins. It's great to see a car you own or could own being driven in anger. For those who say they are the best but don't compete at Le Mans...?
My close colleague is a huge long-time Porsche fan, and a serious buyer. Another has become a Macca die-hard. Me, I've been besotted with Ferrari from before I knew those amazing red cars were called Ferrari. What I love about cars is the variety and how different companies/designers/engineers create wonderful variations on a theme. Like the 959 and F40. So Porsche, so Ferrari. Today, Porsche and Ferrari remain true to their heritage producing superb cars, including the 812 of course. And with McLaren raising their bar, the 720S looks like an awesome package, we are spoilt for choice. Everyone wins. Long may it continue.
How do you figure? Are you saying you can tell what it's like to drive an F1 car by watching the on-car footage? All reviewers say the exact same thing about every car. You could pretty much edit out the names of the cars and you wouldn't be able to tell which he was talking about. All the footage you see is a mix and match of stuff that didn't happen at the same time. The sounds don't sound anything like reality. The footage you see shows views you'll never get to experience when driving it. If you want to know how it drives, the only thing you can do is drive it. Everything else is just in your head. "The car screams to redline!" "The transmission is 30% faster." "You can just feel exactly what the front wheels are doing." "It throws you back in your seats and your eyeballs pop out when you brake." "The brakes are a little grabby." "The brakes are sublime." That's describes pretty much every supercar review for the last 20 years and half the time the reviews conflict from one person to the next.
Can there ever be any other sensible conclusion than this? Ultimately the market decides if you deserve to be in it or not. Porsche and Ferrari seem like brands that will forever be around. McLaren could well join that list, but they are not there yet. Responding to an earlier poster, to say McLaren is on 'another planet' to Ferrari or even Porsche is pretty silly really, I can't take that seriously at all. Ferrari develop their own, magnificent, award-winning engines, not just one line but two, they have their own on-site aerodynamic wind tunnel, they have their own on-site development race circuit, they have 70 years of product history and experience to draw from, they are competitive in both WEC and F1 being race winners this season in both categories, they use multiple platforms with multiple drive systems, including a world-first all-wheel-drive system that retains the rwd charateristics of a sports car without the high centre of gravity from other 4wd vehicles, they mix e-diff with 4ws with DCT with SSC with ESC and numerous other systems, they produce(d) n/a engines with the highest specific output and highest compression ratios, revving to 9k with the Speciale's V8 and 8.9k with the 812's V12, they produce currently the most responsive turbo engine using the 488 engine's torque management, they are using variable inlet length technology, active and passive aerodynamics and a carbon cup holder. And what's more, their cars feel brilliant to drive. No doubt McLaren have great and interesting technology too, but if all you can come up with is 'carbon tub' then it's a bit poor really. In fact McLaren's tech is much more worthy than that simple analysis. But it would have to allow their cars to levitate to be considered 'from another planet'.
+1 I for one decided to open my mind and "try all brands" (Pcars, LCars, McL) having been 100% Ferrari. I went through a few cars and finally settled back to the fact that Ferrari is MY No.1 choice. This does not mean the others (PCars and LCars specifically) wont be ordered (in fact new ones are on the way) it just means FCars will always have a special place above the rest for me.
Drove the 720 yesterday. It is a big move forward from the 650 and a very fast, great handling sports car. It almost feels like you are driving a prototype, the carbon chassis is so solid it feels like a kart with a suspension. The steering is fantastic and the throttle response and acceleration is frightening when you are in the rev range range it likes. The MCL feels almost digital vs the Ferrari's real world feel. Its a very different personality that lacks some of the joie de vivre I feel in the Ferrari. The interior feels utilitarian rather than luxurious but also feels more dedicated to the task at hand. It's not better or worse just different, but impressive all the same.
Spoke to a used exotics dealer today who said his American muscle car guys are really wanting an 812 Superfast.
Here is a review with footage of an 812 in silver/ grey I think the color is Grigio Titanio. Maybe DCMetro can give us his opinion. https://youtu.be/Kuxxw41aRmk
GT looks good but it is such an 'anti-colour'. I had my first Ferrari in GT and thought "yeah, I got this right - I'm no RC cliche" and promptly got bored of it. Next car? RC. Very down-played colours make sense in an FF or Lusso but doesn't a Ferrari like the 812 need just a little drama? (Btw, loving DCMetro's World Council of Grey - clearly if the WCoG rule me wrong, I'll just have to back off!)
Thanks for the link. I would say the first car is Argento Nurburgring and the second car Grigio Titanio. DC and the Grigio clan?
I chose GT at the Atelier but my wife said the same thing but used more descriptive words such as f... boring... or words to that effect. I didn't want to do a Rosso again and loved the way TDF Blue popped in the sunlight with our 2010 Cali so 'we' decided to go with TDF Blue again. Still think GT or CdF will look fantastic on the 812......
Thanks for sharing all the reviews on the 812. I was recently able to see the car in the metal and- not a big surprise- it is much much better in person. I would not say its better nor worse than the F12, rather, I think it's more a question of your preference: elegance (F12) or aggression (812). Ferrari is to be commended for once again delivering a really superb model. There really is no one else who consistently does this. Model after model. How do they do it? I see it as they are terrifically clever at integrating technology in a way that gives you all the fun to drive sensations we all crave. They are not slaves to performance numbers, but not adverse to letting you know they have a car with 800hp or can hit this or that mark. I really think the first part of that is the key to a great modern supercar- as its for the road- they use technology to improve your experience. Lukeylikey, may I suggest application into the Blue Army?
Agree 1,000% and think the new 70th Anniv. color befits the new 812 as its debut color perfectly, even though I haven't seen it person relying only on pics and videos. This will be the color on my 812 along with the liquid silver forged wheels - carbon copy of press/show car. Of course, always a personal choice and in the eye of the beholder.
