Will the 308 (ever) become the next Dino??$$$$

Question: will the 308 ever become the next Dino $$$$

Magic 8 ball says : "ask again later"

 

good question, but think all the new pressures now will bring prices down.
now france bans gas/diesel cars, new generations all about green. I fear these cars will be worthless very soon. Only valuable cars will be the super rare ones (250GTO, 288, ... like)

 

I've no worries on my car being banned; my uncle has a country place that no one knows about.

 

This hysteria must stop. These electric cars can't even be taken on a road trip at this point.
At least here in the US, I think we'll all be dead by the time gas engines becomes extinct.
No infrastructure for charging. Plenty of gas stations though.

 

I could speak for hours on this - you are 100% correct. The infrastructure isn't there, and many people have been misinformed on how the US generates electricity (in other words, renewables aren't the answer!!)

Some serious concessions will need to be made if we truly want electric cars in our future. Understand that Europe relies heavily on imported energy sources, so it relies less on fossil fuels to generate electricity than we do in the US. It makes more sense in Europe to move away from gas than it does here, as our energy sources are cheaper and can be derived domestically (even though we do import).

FWIW.

 

One thing Americans aren't into is "concessions" of any kind.

 

My car is now 40 years old and looks better than new. Prices will continue to increase but not in a straight line. There were three times more 308s made than Dinos, regardless of how many are left this will always be a negative for appreciation. That being said, the car is pretty much bullet proof and impossibly beautiful.

 

Yes, that's true. I'm trying to avoid P&R, but if we are ever going to have significant adoption of electrical cars in this country, we not only need the infrastructure, but we need to embrace more coal mining / use and/or start modernizing and creating new nuclear power plants.

The folks in this country seem to want to have their cake and eat it too - but that's won't yield a positive result!

 

Love this country, but people are not willing to go without, or give up convenience. That's why I have little worry concerning gas cars going away. The car companies are just playing the political game where the have to

 

Agree completely. Had this discussion in the Le Mans thread...car companies are playing the game, but realize this isn't going to be a reality.

I saw one stat that suggested that by 2040, electric and hybrid vehicles combined would still only represent 1/3 of the total global sales. Even if that's off by 10 years, we're still talking a long time before it's even meaningful (I believe today, the total electric / hybrid sales represent about 2% of the overall market).

 

and now it's the UK banning gas/diesel car sales. Right, it's "only" 2040 - but messaging is way more important. Another nail in the coffin, hence my point about non-rare cares becoming worthless very soon.

I don't think you guys are seeing the full picture. I strongly believe demand for these cars is only coming from our generation and older - and those are dying. New people only get excited about electric and "cool green" stuff

 

Here's the deal.

The Europeans don't have oil. If they did it would be a different story.

 

I have to disagree with the majority on here. Talk to kids these days. They are so brainwashed about climate change and are totally for renewable energy asap. If you ask them about cars which most of them aren't that interested in anyway they will almost always say a Tesla not a Ferrari is their favourite car.

 

Agree 100%. My first hand experience. I had my ferrari parked next to a tesla model x at a pretty big local car show held on a college campus (600+ cars). The tesla made my car invisible, except for people using as a backrest to take pics of the model x! The tesla is a cool DD and all but it looks like an SUV. The world is changing rapidly!




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Youth and their fads... Pet rock anyone? Mood rings?

 

This is not a fad anymore than using gasoline to power cars were.

 

I'm waiting for the prices to come down - and then I'll look for a nice QV GTS again.

I missed the boat the first time round, but it looks like the boat is coming back to port.

 

Or oats to power horses.


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Of the contributors here have any of you owned both the Dino and the 308? I saw Bobs mention that the Dino wasn't all that but to me if the 308 is that much better of a car then it WILL one day get the respect it deserves. When I started out looking for a Ferrari the first one I ever sat in to consider was a 308 and man o man did that car feel like a sports car and fit glove tight but just right. Sadly I never got to drive one and then I found myself with a bit more cash to use and got a gated Modena instead. I never regretted the decision because that is the most incredible car I have ever been in but if I had the space and bucks for a nice '85 I would get one in a heartbeat!

 

How many Dino's vs. how many 3X8's were made? It's all about the numbers.

 

Factory figures are:
308s of all variants = 12149 (there is however a slight "caveat" on the number of carbed 308 GTB produced, which may be lower by about 50...)

To which you would have to add the Italian-market variants:
2-liter "208" (NOT turbos, 2 litre atmospheric of 155hp) 300 cars
"208 Turbos" = 687

Grand total for 308 and italian-market variants: 13136

328s = 7413
Italian-market "Turbos" = 1136

Grand total for 328 and italian-market variants: 8548

Grand total all 3x8s all variants = 21684.

(308 GT4 not accounted for: 2826 cars; to which you would have to add the Italian-market only 208 GT4))

The total for the "Dinos" (206 and 246, not the 308GT4) is around 3600, but I'm not familiar with this car; those who know exactly will chime in.

Rgds

 

Let's say a 3X8 is worth $75k today (still shaking head over that).

Let's also say a Dino is worth $300k today.

If the 3X8 increases to value to $300k, the Dino will be worth $1,200,000.

I'm not seeing either valuation happen anytime in the near or distant future. But what do I know?

 

Europe is not the USA. The US will still be using gas cars for a very long time. Even at 20,000 3x8 produced, that's a fraction of air cooled 911s. Look what those are going for.. the 3x8 will never be what a Dino is value wise, but will do just fine. Drive them and enjoy them. The classic car market will be flat for the foreseeable future following a period of speculation. So, buy what you will enjoy and don't look at it as an investment. If you break even after expenses, be happy. If you get more than that, great.

 

Wise words indeed.

Rgds

 

I remember when dinos were 13k rustbuckets. Then the 308 Gt4 became the cheap unloved ferrari. The Gt4 has a cult follwing now and good euro spec cars are way more than 308s.

The 308 GTB/S, is a beautiful car. Many people see it as the ferrari. they are an enetrtainign drive and work in modern traffic. Yes there were a lot made, but the airccoled 911 comparison is apt. Its a classic that works in the modern world, there is nothing like it made now nor will there be.

The Ghibli was also one a really beautiful car not worth the cost of restoration and always in the shadow of the daytona, then it emerged.

The dino's daytonas etc, they are now priced in unobtanium. 20 years from now what classic beautiful ferrai can be bought for 200-300K. Thats your future 308 price, everything else remotely comparable will be more. Well maybe a testarossa will be 300-400k.

A 308 has all the attributes of a classic ferrari just in a mid engined format. To my grew up in the 70s eyes its more appealing objectively than a dino, but yes there were more made so it wont have quite the same value, just as a 73 Rs has less value than a big bumper 74 Rs.

I remember when peopel said a 288 woudl never be worth much becasue to most eyes it resembled a 308. I guess htat mneans to many eyes 308 styking can now fetch 3 million. So a really special 308 like a glas car or a euro Qv will not be held back on styling but rather judged for what it is.

I also think the time will come when surviving US spec cars wil loose the bumpers cats etc, and this will enhance appeal, as we see happening to Boras.

15 years ago maseratis were not a thing, todays 250 3500gt could be bought for less than 50K and Ghiblis were 80K. Then the "moneyed" market relized that these were great cars, the near equivalnt to astons and ferraris of the era.

Rmember Miurs stuck belwo 100k what 20 years ago.

We are in a classic car price lull, the cycle seems to run every 10-15 years. In the next runup when daytonas crest 1 mill and boxers are +500k, where will 308 prices be. BTW I dont think Dinos are going over 500k. Not ever car moves in lockstep. However we see a jump when cars suddenly become reckognised classics.

308s we have already seen big prices for glass cars, and these cars will next go to current dino prices, following behind will be Euro Qvs and carbed cars. Then well have us Qvs and 2 valve injected cars.

Dealers as with aircooled porche will figure out how to segment these cars. Injected 2 valve Us spec cars may be 125K and glass cars 400k.