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  1. Patrick Dixon

    Patrick Dixon Formula 3

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    Francis, it looks like the ignition relay has been removed on your car and fitted in the empty slot at the bottom left. I don't know if that's related to the blue/red -> green/black wire, but does your car have electronic ignition fitted or something?

    The green/back wire might be the fuel pump.
     
  2. PDB

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    Shouldn't there be a connection on the bottom of fuse #9 (LH Radiator Fan) of the left fuse block?

    It is difficult to see from the picture, but is the blue/red wire connected to the top side of fuse #9?

    I think that both fans should be separately fused, but it looks like both fans have been connected to fuse #8.
     
  3. Patrick Dixon

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    #28 Patrick Dixon, Jul 12, 2017
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    The RH fan is the Green wire and LH Fan is Green/Black according to my notes. It might be that the 9 fuse has been bypassed with a blade fuse.
     
  4. Patrick Dixon

    Patrick Dixon Formula 3

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    The problem with my blocks was increased resistance between the twined connections at the bottom of the blocks, which are connected to each other and the fuse by the rivet. The rivet works loose over the years, resistance increases and the heat dissipated in the rivet melts the block.

    Someone suggested soldering through the rivets, but really you need to solder all round the rivet and across both terminals too, so that there is a proper electrical connection to back up the mechanical one.
     
  5. samsaprunoff

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    Good day Patrick,

    The reason for the two different blocks, other than the slight electrical difference, is that they are "keyed" to their respective fuse block covers. In other words you cannot swap the covers and thus confuse the fuse cover circuit descriptions and/or fuse sizes.

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
  6. Patrick Dixon

    Patrick Dixon Formula 3

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    True, although they could have easily done that with a fitted pin.
     
  7. francisn

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    Hi Patrick

    Yes - my car Has Magnetti electronic ignition fitted as standard from July 78
     
  8. Patrick Dixon

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    A question for those of you have taken the centre console out, what's the minimum that you need to remove to get it out?

    So far I've removed the front seats, gear shift gate and knob, ashtrays, front seat belt stubs and all the self tappers around the base, but no sign of it moving. Do you have to remove the front section with the left foot rest too? Removing the back seat is optional as far as I can make out.

    I don't really want to force anything 'cos I've just spent a fortune having it all re-trimmed.
     
  9. PDB

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    Mine is an early car, so may be different to yours, but I removed the front section (the main centre console goes underneath it) and the rear seats (4 bolts).

    Paul
     
  10. Patrick Dixon

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    Thanks Paul.

    I removed the front section and managed to lift the main center console enough to access the wiring. I can't see how it would come out completely without removing either the rear seat or the dashboard as I can't seem to get it forward, up and over the gear and handbrake levers enough.

    I am reluctant to dismantle more of the car than I actually need to, and I can't see the bolts for the rear seat anyway, so I think that will have to do.

    The radio/cassette in my car is a Pioneer KE-1300 which was fitted when I bought it in 1985. I wasn't sure if it was original, but looking at the state of the wiring, it's clear that something else was previously fitted and the Pioneer has been hacked into the remains of the wiring using the remains of the wiring from wherever it came from.

    Wondered if anyone knew what Maranello Concessionaires fitted in 1976? What have you got in your cars from the same period?

    I figure I might as well put something period in it while I'm there although I doubt I will use it.
     
  11. Patrick Dixon

    Patrick Dixon Formula 3

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    This is the radio and associated wiring that I removed from the car

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  12. NoGoSlow

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    Wow, it's hard to believe the radio ever worked with that rig! What a mess. :)
     
  13. GavC

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    #38 GavC, Jul 14, 2017
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    Coming late on this. On mine the flashers just light up the dip beams, no fog light dash light is illuminated. Have though about wiring to see if I could wire up the fogs or actually sending a signal to the light pods and making them rise and flash the main beams. But never go around to it as it's never been a problem at the Mot time and have checked all wiring and it is as per the wiring diagram. No gt4 rhd I believe has never been fitted with rear fogs from the factory.
    Regards centre console, there is a split in 2 parts up near foot rest,remove this front section and then move main section forward and also then remove the gear shift knob and gate put into 2nd and remove handbrake gater then 4th and move section back lift to clear the gear stick and it should come out. Though I did remove a seat last time as well
     
  14. GavC

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    Classic sign of verdigris between rivets. I did have a go at the soldering of them, but to be honest it's juts a temp repair. I went and got 2 new oem boxes and whilst at it replaced all the relays for modern ones. Have improved most of the electrics, though windows are still slow unlike modern windows, can live with that
     
  15. Patrick Dixon

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    #40 Patrick Dixon, Jul 15, 2017
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    You must have the flasher relay fitted then
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  16. francisn

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    Hi Paul

    I've managed to get one of Sam's fuse blocks, someone in the queue dropped out so I was very lucky. Should arrive in next few days.

    Van you tell me a source for rtes LED fuses. I've googled but can't find any, just blocks with the LEDs on the block rather than the fuse.
     
  17. tuttebenne

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    FWIW, the failure point on these fuse blocks is the rivets. The heat cycles cause them to loosen, which creates a high resistance connection. That leads to high heat at the fuse tips, distortion, corrosion, etc.

    On my 308 all I did was remove the blocks, flatten the rivets with a small hammer, drift, and backup block, and then flowed solder across each rivet/blade connection. This might be a temporary solution but mine have been 100% trouble free for the 30 years since I did the repair :)

    The nice thing is it cost nothing, they are still original, and the covers fit as they should.
     
  18. PDB

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    Hi Francis,
    I got them from Halfords. It wasn't the cheapest place but they are really nice quality and fit tightly into the fuse holders, whereas cheaper fuses were a bit loose.
    Paul
     
  19. samsaprunoff

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    Good day Andy,

    You are quite right... however, there are times where trying to address the original block's shortcomings is a bit too late. Attached is a pic of my original black block when I got the car. The fuse blocks were NLA at the time and so the Ferrari dealer simply installed external bypass fuses. If you look at one of Paul's previous posts he mentioned that his original blocks were simply too far gone for any type of repair

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/rhd-gt4-fuse-blocks.555688/#post-145465165

    The other issue that can plague the original blocks is the reduction in fuse clip retention over time. As you know the original "bullet" fuses are held between two clips... and these clips can loose their tension the the result is oxidation where the fuse contacts the clips and/or an intermittent connection... which are both issues. In fact it was this issue (fuel pumps cutting in and out) that annoyed me enough to create my blocks.

    As for fitment.. If you look back to the link above you can see that my blocks maintain the look and feel of the originals, but with modern fuses, and maintains the use of the original covers.

    Cheers,

    Sam
     

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  20. francisn

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    Thanks Paul

    Found them on the Halfords site. Also now found them at Maplin but cheaper. As their two shops are next to each other near to me in Bracknell I will buy from each and compare them in the car park and decide which one to buy en mass. Are you at Silverstone this weekend? I am there all three days.
     
  21. PDB

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    Hi,

    That sounds like a good plan.

    I'm currently on L'Ile de Ré on the west coast of France in the Dino. We took the ferry to Santander nearly 2 weeks ago and we've been driving through northern Spain, the Pyrenees and western France.
    The Dino is proving to be a fantastic car for touring in.
     

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  22. francisn

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    Sounds great. I've been to France twice in mine for a week each time. Italy next summer!
     
  23. PDB

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    We went to Italy in 2015, but we took the Cobra as I'd only just bought the Dino and didn't know how reliable it would be, but we'd love to go back again in the Dino, especially around Garda, which was beautiful.
     
  24. Patrick Dixon

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    We've been to Italy a couple of times in the gt4, but quite a while ago. Siena is about as far south as we went - I love Siena. Also bummed around Brittany and Normandy. It's fun to do although long distances are pretty noisy and tiring by modern-car standards.

    Very happy with Sam's fuse blocks in my car - you're doing the right thing. I have been through most of the in cabin electrics now, made two new door looms, fitted a 1976 radio and a couple of new door speakers, repaired the various bits that didn't work and fitted led bulbs to the interior and dash. I need to bend up a new rod for the passenger door lock next, and I need to investigate the fog lamps as I don't think they work at all.

    Any idea how the door courtesy lights are supposed to work? I seem to recall that they came on when the door was open (which they still do) and also that you could turn them on manually, but I'm not sure how the latter is supposed to work, and mine don't. I am not sure what is supposed to contact with what when you tilt the glass reflector.
     
  25. francisn

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    There is a Dino 50th event in Maranello next 30th June. That's what I will be going to and taking in the Le Mans Classic on way back, so 2 weeks in all. The Dino event is organised by Matthias Bartz who posts on here in the Dino section. He will be publicising it in November but has promised me a place.

    You are right, by modern standards the car is noisy and hot. To be quite honest 2 hours is the most I can manage before stopping for a break. Mainly sore bum and stiff knee!

    My cabin electrics are pretty good. The door lights work intermittently and I need to do some contact cleaning there .Most of my electrics have been rewiring the headlamps direct from the battery and fitting modern cooling fans, once again direct from the battery. Existing circuits just used to switch new relays up front. The aerial (which did work) no longer does as the live feed suddenly has no connectivity. That to sort out this winter. Fogs work fine though I want to work out how to flash them.

    Would be interested in details of your led lights for the dash. My existing ones are so dim that they are useless.

    My passenger door lock is very worn and only works intermittently from the outside. OK from inside. That needs looking at as well.

    I am sure I can get the internal ventilation fans to work better. I know they were never much good but I am sure they could be better. When I had old R12 gas and after I fitted modern calling fans I got air from the a/c at 2 deg C. But had to have new gas last year and new seals, now only get air at 9 deg. So I def need more circulation, particularly in Italy in June!

    Do you mean the rocker switch/light on the door? I can't remember which position is which, and as mine only works intermittently I haven't really got round to sussing out which position is which. All I remember is that early in ownership one of them was switched to on (easily done inadvertently by an arm) and then decided to reconnect which resulted in a flat battery at an inopportune moment. So since then I always isolates the battery even when leaving for only a couple of hours.

    Safe journey home.

    F
     

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