2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX BRITISH GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

Mssr Tullius, is that you?

 

Ok, tell me this, if the plot had been know before the end of the 2008 season, do you think the Singapur results should have counted to the championship, or that the race should have been discarded since it was a rigged result?

 

Most likely Alsono and Renault would have been disqualified from the race leaving Rosberg winning and Hamilton being second -> two more points for Hamilton and no more for Massa.
I doubt that the entire race would have been discarded...when did something like that happen in the past?

 

Maybe yes, maybe not, I am not sure if the result would have been decided later by a FIA tribunal in Paris. I have never heard of a GP being discarded before; even the US GP where only 6 cars raced at Indy counted for the championship. The Singapore GP 2008 was far less important in the order of chaos than 16 cars stopping in their pits after one lap!!!

Learning from the plot, the FIA could have eliminated Alonso from the result probably, possibly promoting the 2nd to a win, etc... but in any case, they wouldn't have re-established Massa winning the GP, because he was eliminated by his team, and not as a result of Renault's actions.

Whichever way you look at it, it's the premature release that caused its problem, and not the unscheduled pit stop provoked by the safety car. Ferrari couldn't protest anything for their own mistake.

The proof of that is that other cars stopped at their pits, and nobody else ripped their fuel line like Massa did! The Scuderia messed up that day!!

But doing anything ONE YEAR later, when the championship had been decided would have been completely daft; it would have damaged the image of F1, and open a can of worms people preferred to ignore.

 

Exactly !!!

Hamilton would have benefited even more from a disqualification for Alonso !!!

 

+1

 

That's were i desagree, the actions of teh Renault team changed the chain of events, if they hadn't cheated, no one would have pited at that time, so what happened wa a direct consequence of their actions, take Kimi for example, he was always going to lose places because of Piquet crash...he was pited at the same time as Massa, so he had to wait wich would make him lose some places, if he was kept out and pitted a lap later, he wopuld have lost even more time, so regardless of what happened, the cheating actions of the Renault team, led to a chain of events that ultimatly changes the result of the race, so it should have been discarded, just like a footbal match were a goalkeepar is briebed i order to let the ball in.

 

Interesting. You are asking the FIA to have a level of sophistication in thought they rarely show....

 

Again: when did the FIA even invalidate an entire race? I don´t remember one so please help me with that.

 

I know you disagree; you are completely on the wrong tangent here !!
You cannot put the clock back before the Piquet crash and imagine a different scenario that suits your agenda. It doesn't work!
You have to accept that crashes do occur, that safety car periods do happen, and stop living in cloud cuckoo land.
Racing incidents are part of this sport, and never (to my knowledge) a GP race has been cancelled because someone was at fault. Disqualification of the culprit is enough.

But bearing in mind that the alleged Renault plot was revealed A YEAR LATER, it's a big ask to expect the results to be cancelled, the WDC to be taken away from Hamilton (completely innocent in this story) and given to Massa.
It is what it is, but the 2008 WDC will stay with Hamilton.

 

Racing accidents are part of the sport, crashing on purpose is not..or at least it shouldn't be.

 

Neither do I Peter, but again i'm not sure if such a situation ever ocurred before...but you can find other examples in diferent sports were games have been anuled when it was discovered rigged results.

 

That's something very difficult to prove!

 

One year later ?

 

It has been proven....

 

Again, look at lance Armstrong..how many years later?

 

Alonso still to this day insisting he knew nothing...well he would 'he is from Barcelona!'

(Manuel ,Fawlty Towers)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EaoPMANQM

 

Stop comparing sports; F1 isn't football or cycling.

In any case, Armstrong has been disqualified of his TdeF wins, but nobody has been declared a winner.

 

LOLO, i loved Manuel, sadly pasted away this year...

 

No, it's not, in 2008 was a farse...as it was in 1990 when they alowed Senna to win the title that way....people can do what they wan't, FIA can give the titles to whom they want, history books can write what they want, what they can't do is to make a cheater a deserving champion, or a rigged race a real result, not me anyway, and i suspect to many others. Agan this is just my opinion, if you like what they sell, please buy it, i won't, i watch the races and in the end will have an opinion about it, i won't alow the FIA (or Briatore) to do it for me, if that was the case, there was no point in watching, i would simply buy a book by the end of the season with all the stats.

 

It wasn't strictly proven, it was alleged.

The FIA didn't discover the plot, someone sold it to them.

The only evidence were an allegation , followed by an admission by Renault management.

There may have been similar cases, not suspected nor confessed.

I believe in NASCAR creating a safety car intervention to help one car has occurred.

 

It was proven, the perpretator confessed, and the instigators have been punished.

 

Exactly, look what happened: Armstrong was taken his titles and but the following guys were not given them instead. So without Armstrong being there or being doped one of them would have won under "normal circumstances" but they were taken this possiblility and never given back. If the same would have happened to Alonso and Renault, how exactly would this have helped Massa?
I think most games that have been annulled because of one cheating where between two teams rather than in an mass event like 100 meters finals where one was doped or bike or motoer races...In the later case simply one was disqualified but not the entire race/game was annulled

 

In cycling, the biggest problem is that so many riders were guilty of doping, the authorities decided it was easier to simply blank the results out from the Lance Armstrong era.

Back then suspicions were rife about a whole load of riders, some of which were proven, and some of which remain under suspicion.

Declaring a winner from those who finished just behind Armstrong would just stir up a hornets nest of more controversy that the cycling authorities just want to go away.

(Anyone who thinks Lance Armstrong was the only one doping "back in the day" would be incredibly naïve! - Armstrong just took it to the ultimate degree!)

In F1, things are a lot more clear cut, so if someone were to be caught blatantly cheating, then it would be easy enough to alter the race/Championship results.

 

True, but it was not me bringing up this example. I just said it does not fit the argument

But what would they do: just promote second to the winner or delete the complete result because the event of cheating set up a chain of events?