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  1. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    In 59, 60 - 61 Clark raced for Borders Riviere team... and they used Aston Martins... He also tested the F1 cars... but as you noted they pulled out and did not run in F-1... I was mistaken about running f-1 but I know for sure he tested the car... along with Moss.

    Year: 1960

    2.4.1960 Oulton Park [Sports] 22 Aston Martin DBR1 Jim Clark Border Reivers 3rd
    18.4.1960 Sussex Trophy Goodwood 76 Aston Martin DBR1 Jim Clark Border Reivers DNF
    30.4.1960 Aintree 200 Aston Martin Clark DNA
    14.5.1960 Silverstone International 11 Aston Martin DBR1 Jim Clark Border Reivers DNF
    22.5.1960 1000 km Nürburgring 8 Aston Martin DBR1 Clark / Salvadori Border Reivers DNF
    26.6.1960 24 h Le Mans 7 Aston Martin DBR1 Clark / Salvadori Border Reivers 3rd
    16.10.1960 Brands Hatch [GT] 100 Austin-Healey 3000 Jim Clark Ecurie Chiltern 3rd
    23.10.1960 1000 km Paris 10 Aston Martin DB4 GT Clark / Maggs Essex Racing Team DNF

    Year: 1961

    28.5.1961 1000 km Nürburgring 11 Aston Martin DBR1 Clark / McLaren Essex Racing Stable DNF
    11.6.1961 24 h Le Mans 5 Aston Martin DBR1 Clark / Flockhart Border Reivers DNF
    11.6.1961 24 h Le Mans 61 Austin-Healey 3000 Clark / Taylor Cambridge Racing DNS
    19.8.1961 Tourist Trophy 3 Aston Martin DB4 GT Jim Clark Essex Racing Team 4th
    22.10.1961 1000 km Paris 15 Aston Martin DB4 GT Clark / Ireland Essex Racing Team 6th
     
  2. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    Spirot,

    A sportscar is not a F1 car ... although in Aston Martins case they tried to make a road car engine in a modified sportscar turned into a single seater a F1 car, which is why it was a piece of crap.

    I can find no reference to him ever sitting in an Aston Martin F1 car, but he may have of course :)
    Pete
     
  3. tifoso2728

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    Sebastian Vettel has now been confirmed to drive the "James Bond" Aston-Martin F1 car. It will have an oil sprayer deployment feature when Lewis Hamilton is behind him.
     
  4. P.Singhof

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    Problem is: as long as the Mercedes is dominant Lewis might be rarely behind Seb on the track ;) But he might have some usage for the machine guns in front in case Lewis comes to close behind the safety car :D
     
  5. tifoso2728

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    OK. Whatever works.
     
  6. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #31 jgonzalesm6, Jul 27, 2017
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    The reason why Red Bull will have their own engine

    With all the goings on over the past few months in relation to the engine regulations for 2021, chess pieces are moving to give us a good indication of what lies ahead.

    The main premise for these Power units will be that they are simpler, cheaper and noisier.

    That’s the mandate from the FIA, and everyone concerned is currently working towards finalising the format. VW, Aston Martin and a few smaller firms such as Illmor and Ricardo Engineering have also been present at the meetings, designed to attract new names to the sport.

    Red Bull, having had designs on making their own engines for sometime (a story broken here exclusively) have leveraged themselves by helping Aston Martin with their Valkyrie hypercar. This goodwill has capital for Red Bull, as it has initiated Aston Martins interest in being able to supply engines.

    Andy Palmer of Aston Martin senses that opportunity: “There’s always that question, would you want to enter as a team? Our major competitor is Ferrari, so in that sense there’s a rationale in being involved in some way. But for a company that’s only just moved to making a profit we don’t have the 350-400 million a year that you have to spend on F1.”

    “If there is a cap put on the number of people or the amount of money that you can spend on developing a new engine, and it’s at a reasonable level, we have a good reason to study it.”

    But behind the study, we have Red Bull who can part fund the project to the tune of 20 million a year, the cost of their supply of Renault engines. And to be an exclusive partnership, Red Bull could be willing to pay more. Palmer knows this. And as Aston is now making money, it could ease the purse strings from investors in the pursuit of challenging Ferrari on track.

    With uncanny timing, Mario Illien of Ilmor has come out publicly to offer their services:

    “Obviously there is a desire to have the possibility for independent manufacturers to come in, That’s one reason I’m in the meetings, to see whether it’s going the right way for an independent.”

    “Somebody has to fund the initial development costs, Customers are probably not the right way to go, that doesn’t pay for it. You probably need a manufacturer to support it”.

    Illien is well aware Ilmor could not go it alone. Red Bull would also be unwilling to foot the entire bill on it’s own. However, Aston can rightly make a business case of being able to defeat it’s age old rival, Ferrari, with a supply deal to Red Bull. Ilmor design develop and build the engines, Aston Martin and Red Bull split the costs. It’s a symbiotic triumvirate that makes Red Bull independent of the established engine suppliers, It brings Aston Martin into F1 with a modest financial outlay, and it makes Ilmor relevant again, which is exactly what Illien wants.

    The alignment is far too good for this to be mere speculation. Ilmor already have experience of working with Red Bull, and Red Bull have experience of working with Aston Martin. This is made to happen.

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  7. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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  8. PDX_214

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    Having worked on a recent Ilmore engine, they are far from F1 tech, and would need much more than just a sponsor to enter, they would need a technical partner with the ability to develop the tech to the level of F1. If they enter, they'll be in name only and will need huge investments from outside sources to be even remotely competitive.
     

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