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  1. SCKOMS

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    Hello all. I plan to attend a track day event at Blackhawk Farms in northern Illinois next month. I will obviously need a helmet, so I thought about purchasing one as opposed to renting ($37.50, including purchasing a "head sock"). In doing some quick searches, I have seen helmets priced form under $200 to well over $1000. I don't plan to do any actual racing, just running on the track a few times a year.

    Can anyone make a recommendation as to what I should be looking for. I know I should get a SNELL 2015 rated helmet, but aside from that, are those $2-300 acceptable? Any brands to avoid? Any advantage to closed vs open face?

    Thanks in advance....Spiro
     
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  2. Nuvolari

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    Regrettably in an impact your brain does not know the difference between racing and tracking all it knows is that it is getting hit and your choice of helmet will determine what if any damage it will receive. There is a difference in construction and safety between the lower cost helmets and the expensive ones however if you get a helmet that meets SA2015 standards then you are most of the way to being protected.

    The biggest factor will be fit so you must find your size and try on many different brands. For me Bell helmets don't fit right and Arai's are perfect whereas other people are the total opposite. Each manufacturer has its 'fit' so you need to go to a race shop and find your brand.

    Besides that I do recommend the following:

    - Buy a closed face helmet and run it with the visor open or off. This will offer the best protection and ventilation is not a problem with a closed helmet

    - Buy a head sock. They are cheap and much easier to clean than the inside of your helmet.

    - When sweaty let the helmet air dry upside down with the visor open (of course on a soft surface)

    - Buy an SA rated helmet and not an M rated helmet. The M rating is for motorcycles and is a much lower standard than SA.

    - Treat the helmet with the care your brain deserves! Don't drop it, use it as a chair, or abuse it in any way. Helmets are good for ONE HIT so make sure your head is in it if that happens.

    Good luck with the search and have fun at your track day.
     
  3. John_K_348

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    Yes don't go for a motorcycle helmet by mistake. You need an SA rating with Nomex in the liner. M rated might not have it as riders are usually throw from the bike and fire is not as big a deal.
     
  4. boxerman

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    Arai highy recomended.

    Motorcyle helmets are designed to take multiple hits in different places and for abrasion as woudl happen in a motorcycle accident..

    Car helmets designed to take multiple hits in the same place, which makes senese because youre strapped into one seat in a car.

    On motorcylce helmet the multiple hits in the same place as would happen in a car means the helmet would have seriously declining real protection in a serious acident like car a rollover.

    Helmets last 5 years so spend on good one, and a comfortable one. I a cheap one is unlikely to be super comfortable. I would budget $4-600. Arai helmets are also light which has obvious benefits.

    CF helemts cost more but dont save that much weight because the padding and everythign else is a big part of the weight and does not alter.

    saferacer.com is where I buy
     
  5. spirot

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    Totally agree - Arai is great... if you do a longer stint behind the wheel... a heavy helmet will certainly tax your neck and shoulder muscles....
     
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  7. Ky1e

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    #7 Ky1e, Sep 5, 2017
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    I agree with most of the above posts.

    In my opinion if you are doing track days and have a street car then in my opinion any full face auto racing approved Snell 2015 helmet will do. I have been in a lot of crashes (too many-- 3 in the last 3 months!) and to me the things that really matter are racing seat with racing harness, a hans device and helmet, roll cage. If you dont have those it doesnt really matter what helmet you have as long as its a Snell 2015 auto racing helmet.

    Also the balaclavas wont really keep the helmet clean or dry from sweat-- they are more for fire protection.
     
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    Keep visor closed or don't use one. Air bag deploys and you have a neck injury with it open. I will get flak for this, but if you only do a couple of de's a year, get something like Discovery Parts helmet, made by the mfr. that made Bell until recently. While I have a helmet that costs over $2k because I track a lot, you are driving a street car with air bags, and they are almost sure to deploy, and you should be fine with a helmet that meets Snell 2015 testing.
     
  9. SCKOMS

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    Thanks for all the advice everyone.
     
  10. Caeruleus11

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    Excellent advice! The only thing I would add, get a Balaclava (head sock basically). You will likely sweat a lot in the helmet and you might as well be more comfortable and also it means you will get a lot more use out of the helmet. {I some how missed the head sock references above, so this is now repetitive, but I'm leaving it as its good advice}

    I love Arai as well, but I think a lot of this is head shape and fitment. Like sneakers, some people's heads might fit better into a different helmet. I know some people who swear by Stilo.
     
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    Get the best you can afford, maybe paint it to YOUR colors, and now you have a conversation piece to sit on a bookcase shelf.
     
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    As Nuvolari pointed out, different manufacturers have different fits. Wore a ZAMP for a LeMons race. 3 hours and 20 minutes in that thing. Kept pressing against the seat to relieve pressure. I had a red sore in my forehead for days. The shape doesn't work for my noggin. Really need to try one on in person to know for certain.
     
  13. rlips

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    Any helmet you get will probably cost less than an MRI....get the best you possibly can
     
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    If you go stilo, take a look at demon tweeks. When the dollar was a little stronger, I, and several of the guys we track with bought the ~1800 carbon helmet for ~1150 shipped to Texas.

    I'll second the point about the visor, especially after the first time a fist size chunk of asphalt came in the window.
     
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    I agree with that.

    Helmets are personal and we all have different shaped heads.

    This one works for me, I have over 20 hours of racing in it.

    Kai
     
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    I would also recommend you find a local dealer where you can try the helmet. An authorized re-seller will be able to help you with proper fitting. I have tried on identical helmets, sized as the same but fit differently. Do not buy on-line, go in person and try it for yourself.
     
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    Thought I would revisit this thread having just got a new helmet. Fit is paramount. Buy the one that fits best. Then if several fit about the same, as a tie breaker go with the lightest.

    Then, absolutely get a custom paint job.

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  18. SCKOMS

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    That looks great
     
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    Where do you guys get the custom paint jobs done?
    Thanks
     
  20. Rosso328

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    I went with Savage Designs in Melbourne, FL. Savage does a ton of work for various different race series and teams, so you have to get in line, but his work is worth it.
     
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  21. Need4Spd

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    I agree with all of the above. Once beyond $500 or so, the main differences are not safety related but convenience, looks, and weight. Lighter ones are easier on you but usually cost more. As others noted, fit is paramount, so go to a race shop and try them on. I have a relatively big, round head, and find that Bell seems to work best for me. Current one is a Vador with a tinted visor so I don't have to try to squeeze sunglasses inside. That I sort of resemble The Stig in one is a bonus. :)
     
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    #23 fluque, Dec 24, 2017
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    Really liked Bieffe back in the day, still have one from when I was racing. Today I use Arai but have been tempted on the Stilo's due to the communication systems.

    Schuberth is top notch in auto helmets. They are apparently coming out with a more affordable (read less expensive) model comparable in price with the Arai GP6S.

    As for the most recognized brands this is how I rate them:
    - Schuberth
    - Arai
    - Stilo
    - Bell (high end models). Be mindful that Bell US and Bell Europe are two separately owned companies with now co-distribution agreements.

    Obviously fit and comfort are priority #1.

    In terms of budget helmets ($300-500), I would go with the Zamp as suggested above, check this close cockpit full face vented model https://zamp-inc.myshopify.com/collections/zamp-auto-kart/products/rz-40v-kevlar-mix-with-visor

    My son was on a kid's Zampf for karting before upgrading to Arai.
     
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